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I dont think so, because the one 'ghost' Ive seen...it was clear it had mass, as it was casting a shadow on the wall.
but on the other hand, if our minds can 'manifest' real, tangible objects/beings, totally out of nothing...well, lets just say all the science books will have to be re-written!!
Not if the reality is only 'real' to one particular observer. Even if it is a group of observers; then we still have problems duplicating that experience to the researchers and scientist. If these apparitions want to communicate; why would they want to hide from the rest of the public?
My ears have been ringing ever since I shot on my HS rifle team for state championship back in the early 1960's. Our team did not win; but we did take our district. In the meantime we used no hearing protection or did the ranges have acoustical engineering back then. I know that my tinnitus is not caused by sounds from the underworld. I also know that the 'noise' does not really exist. Most of the time I am completely oblivious to my ringing. Right now it is very noticeable because I am thinking about it and I ran a chainsaw, with hearing protection, for hours yesterday. In the early 1960's, when my tinnitus first started, I did not know what it was - nobody really thought about it too much back then. I toyed with the idea that I was hearing signals; because I did not know what I was hearing + it came and went at the first onset.
What I am saying is that we really have to study what we are seeing or hearing and that is the only way we can be sure.
Not if the reality is only 'real' to one particular observer. Even if it is a group of observers; then we still have problems duplicating that experience to the researchers and scientist. If these apparitions want to communicate; why would they want to hide from the rest of the public?
My ears have been ringing ever since I shot on my HS rifle team for state championship back in the early 1960's. Our team did not win; but we did take our district. In the meantime we used no hearing protection or did the ranges have acoustical engineering back then. I know that my tinnitus is not caused by sounds from the underworld. I also know that the 'noise' does not really exist. Most of the time I am completely oblivious to my ringing. Right now it is very noticeable because I am thinking about it and I ran a chainsaw, with hearing protection, for hours yesterday. In the early 1960's, when my tinnitus first started, I did not know what it was - nobody really thought about it too much back then. I toyed with the idea that I was hearing signals; because I did not know what I was hearing + it came and went at the first onset.
What I am saying is that we really have to study what we are seeing or hearing and that is the only way we can be sure.
I dont think they have a desire to communicate with us....otherwise, like you said, they would do so.
The biggest problem we have in evaluating observations (seeing, hearing, smelling, feeling etc "something" that the observer calls a 'ghost") is that our senses are all colored by imagination. We can never be sure the observer isn't reporting post-observation interpretations of neural sensor stimuli.
The Romans differentiated between "animus" (soul) vs "spiritus" (breathe of life). All living entities obviously have spiritus-- they metabolize, grow, reproduce while "alive" and stop when they die....But is animus an abstract figment of our human imagination? Or is it "real." If it's real, why does H. sapiens have it but not H. neandertalensis, or H. habilis, etc on the down line to the first bacterium? Why should H. sapiens be special?...And if all life contains this real animus, why don't we have observations of parakeet or fungal or sunflower ghosts?
Conclusion: either animus is real and ghosts are real and all living things must be capable of becoming ghosts, or animus is a non-real, human construct and there are no ghosts.
ps/ This message was channeled thru me from Harry Houdini.
The biggest problem we have in evaluating observations (seeing, hearing, smelling, feeling etc "something" that the observer calls a 'ghost") is that our senses are all colored by imagination. We can never be sure the observer isn't reporting post-observation interpretations of neural sensor stimuli.
The Romans differentiated between "animus" (soul) vs "spiritus" (breathe of life). All living entities obviously have spiritus-- they metabolize, grow, reproduce while "alive" and stop when they die....But is animus an abstract figment of our human imagination? Or is it "real." If it's real, why does H. sapiens have it but not H. neandertalensis, or H. habilis, etc on the down line to the first bacterium? Why should H. sapiens be special?...And if all life contains this real animus, why don't we have observations of parakeet or fungal or sunflower ghosts?
Conclusion: either animus is real and ghosts are real and all living things must be capable of becoming ghosts, or animus is a non-real, human construct and there are no ghosts.
ps/ This message was channeled thru me from Harry Houdini.
This is one of the reasons I dont really believe they are spirits or souls of once living people...however I know 'ghosts' exist, as I have seen one personally, It was as real as anything else, it appeared to have some kind of intelligence and it cast a shadow, (had tangible mass), but it was able to vanish into thin air too.
I think they may be closer to what 'UFOs' are, they are some kind of 'being'...maybe extra-dimensional?
This is one of the reasons I dont really believe they are spirits or souls of once living people...however I know 'ghosts' exist, as I have seen one personally, It was as real as anything else, it appeared to have some kind of intelligence and it cast a shadow, (had tangible mass), but it was able to vanish into thin air too.
I think they may be closer to what 'UFOs' are, they are some kind of 'being'...maybe extra-dimensional?
Because of my tinnitus, if I went around telling everybody they should be hearing ringing messages from outer space, would you believe me? I have a physical impairment caused by loud noises back in the early 1960's. I have also had floaters that have gone away over the years; especially after I got that little fishhook in my left eye. I could have reported that I saw ghost with shadows; but I knew better - I knew the cause.
Many people, as they approach my age, will get a vitreous detachment. All of a sudden a person can see many white spots of light, some will flash on and off. If a person did not go to an eye specialist and get diagnosed; they might think they saw a paranormal vision. However; the doctors do encourage all that have this to come in and make sure it is not a retinal detachment (that could cost you your sight).
Then we have our brains and how they interpret the visions it thinks we see. Plus we have many people on medication (legal and illegal) and we have many people that have some mental problems. You yourself made a statement that the best information you ever got on Big Foot was during an all night drinking party. Alcohol has been shown to impair our judgement many times over.
I don't mean to talk for guidoLaMoto, but I think what both of us are saying; is that none of these sightings can be backed up with scientific research that totally rules out all 'reasonable explanations'. We had the One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge by the James Randi Educational Foundation that ran for 51 years and after over a thousand people applied to take the challenge none were successful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Mi...rmal_Challenge. If you could have proved your 'ghost' I would imagine that you would have wanted to become a little richer; most of us do not turn our backs on that kind of money.
GM, welcome to the "What the heck was that?" club. Something happens and you try to make some sort of sense of it. Sometimes it makes no sense. Ohhh, why is there an apparition in my bedroom at 2:38 AM.
Beats me.
It's just another thing that happens in your life.
The biggest ships I have ever been on were ferries and I have not been below deck. So I have no knowledge of ships like you describe (I'm a landlubber). Knowing you have no AC would be a good reason for me to stay away! However; your ship still has heating from the sun on one side more so than the other side. That could possibly lead to expansion and contraction noise? Sound can also be deceiving. I don't hear people drive into my driveway; but I hear them pull into the neighbors - the acoustics of my property. Many people spend their lives studying acoustical engineering and it would be interesting to hear what those 'experts' would say about your footsteps.
http://www.ussiwojimaclassassociatio...ry/index.shtml
Look up the USS Iwo Jima LPH-2. It was the US Navy’s first purpose built amphibious assault carrier. Our main aircraft was helicopters. The engine room and shaft alley are BELOW the ship’s water line. The engine room is three stories tall and the bottom of the engine room (and shaft alley) are the lowest decks one can access (below that are storage tanks for fuel and water.). Starting from the bottom of the engine room there are 7 decks to the flight deck. Engine room is three decks tall, main deck above engine room, hanger bay above main deck, hanger bay is two decks tall, and directly above the hanger bay is the flight deck. On the port side of the flight deck is the island structure adding another four or five decks in height not including the mast. As for acoustics, the port and starboard side walls of shaft alley have storage tanks for fuel or water. The forward bulkhead of shaft alley is the engine room which was shut down and vacant at the time with inches of steel dividing the two spaces. The aft bulkhead of shaft alley leads to the ocean and we were tied to the pier. Above the shaft alley were storage spaces and aft steering which were also vacant and separated by steel walls.
598 feet long, 104 feet wide, and it had roughly 1,000 sailors and roughly 2,000 Marines when deployed. That means it was nearly two football fields long and about 35 yards wide
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USS Iwo Jima Class Association - USS Iwo Jima LPH-2 - History
Look up the USS Iwo Jima LPH-2. It was the US Navy’s first purpose built amphibious assault carrier. Our main aircraft was helicopters. The engine room and shaft alley are BELOW the ship’s water line. The engine room is three stories tall and the bottom of the engine room (and shaft alley) are the lowest decks one can access (below that are storage tanks for fuel and water.). Starting from the bottom of the engine room there are 7 decks to the flight deck. Engine room is three decks tall, main deck above engine room, hanger bay above main deck, hanger bay is two decks tall, and directly above the hanger bay is the flight deck. On the port side of the flight deck is the island structure adding another four or five decks in height not including the mast. As for acoustics, the port and starboard side walls of shaft alley have storage tanks for fuel or water. The forward bulkhead of shaft alley is the engine room which was shut down and vacant at the time with inches of steel dividing the two spaces. The aft bulkhead of shaft alley leads to the ocean and we were tied to the pier. Above the shaft alley were storage spaces and aft steering which were also vacant and separated by steel walls.
598 feet long, 104 feet wide, and it had roughly 1,000 sailors and roughly 2,000 Marines when deployed. That means it was nearly two football fields long and about 35 yards wide
My father served on the USS Tolman in WWII. It wasn't the same size as your amphibious assault carrier. But, even though I also served in the Army; I never did spend time on a ship - just wasn't in the cards.
With ships built of steel it is easy to think there would be a reasonable explanation for unusual sounds. But who am I to say.
Yeah I still don't get the OP's title vs the topic, this is before it turned into a naval ship design discussion.
So once again OP, how does your belief in ghosts mesh with your "reasonable explanation"?
I will help you out here - your "spiritual incidents" confirm to your personal beliefs and expectations. Basically, you want to believe and thus you seek out the confirmation of this belief in the interpretation of otherwise odd events that may have a number of other options to consider in an explanation. That's not good or bad, it's simply how our brains work in processing information.
Thus your reasonable explanation - Confirmation Bias.
Yeah I still don't get the OP's title vs the topic, this is before it turned into a naval ship design discussion.
So once again OP, how does your belief in ghosts mesh with your "reasonable explanation"?
I will help you out here - your "spiritual incidents" confirm to your personal beliefs and expectations. Basically, you want to believe and thus you seek out the confirmation of this belief in the interpretation of otherwise odd events that may have a number of other options to consider in an explanation. That's not good or bad, it's simply how our brains work in processing information.
Thus your reasonable explanation - Confirmation Bias.
I supposed I don't see a lot of conflict in what he posted. He said he "believes in" ghosts, but he also thinks a lot of what some people think of as paranormal events are perfectly explainable. If he's never actually seen or been affected by a ghost, then yes, his belief in ghosts would only be a "personal belief and expectation". But I totally agree that most "paranormal" events are totally explainable by normal occurrences -- maybe even all of them.
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