Why would u not believe in spirits? (light)

[Miss Hepburn]

Ref to: Me saying-
God? - You don't know me yet...Having done meditation for 47 years often 3-6
hours in complete silence and stillness...almost breathless - yes.
And He personally has visited me for decades...and may I say -WOW.
I am not quite the same for, say, 3 months afterwards.
I don't say this lightly, tho, online it seems trite, I know.

Originally Posted by sub

This is fascinating.
One of the big problems with modern science and modern thinking in general is the absence of silence and meditation. There's so much noise and so many distractions we constantly gravitate towards, that we sometimes forget to slow down, stop, think about what we absorb, what we learn.... meditate..
So many facts, figures, and general information thrown at us constantly, and I'm afraid we really don't know what to do with all that. Getting caught up in it can lead to rigid, black-and-white thinking. To people that accepts this mentality, everything that exists must be able to be physically observed. I personally don't get it.

Yes.
An aside - rigid thinking is not even necessarily taught.
It is the difference between the Left or Right hemisphere of the brain having dominance.
Right brainers are the artists types, open to the unseen, etc.
Left brainers are the pilots, very concrete thinkers.

Both have their place!

[hunterseat]

I believe in spirits. Some good, some evil.

Spiritual warfare goes on around us whether we believe or not.

[KemBro71]

Originally Posted by sub

This is fascinating.
One of the big problems with modern science and modern thinking in general is the absence of silence and meditation. There's so much noise and so many distractions we constantly gravitate towards, that we sometimes forget to slow down, stop, think about what we absorb, what we learn.... meditate..
So many facts, figures, and general information thrown at us constantly, and I'm afraid we really don't know what to do with all that. Getting caught up in it can lead to rigid, black-and-white thinking. To people that accepts this mentality, everything that exists must be able to be physically observed. I personally don't get it.

I actually find that when I listen to (or interact with) true/actual scientists they overwhelmingly exhibit a quiet, open-minded demeanor and almost always stay in a pretty modest mindset as far as describing the bounds on knowledge.

Lay people that google stuff, and read pop articles and summaries of important things and then vomit them back at you non-stop aren't representative of "science." It's just rabid googling/mansplaining verbal salad.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by KemBro71

Lay people that google stuff, and read pop articles and summaries of important things and then vomit them back at you non-stop aren't representative of "science."
It's just rabid googling/mansplaining verbal salad.

I agree - repeating back or parroting back is not my cup of tea - it's like blind faith
is not either, constant pounding out of verses - rather than having your own direct exp.

It doesn't satisfy the left brainers...but is that why we are here: to convince people of things?

Am I off topic? Probably ...maybe the op will forgive me.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by hunterseat

I believe in spirits. Some good, some evil.
Spiritual warfare goes on around us whether we believe or not.

In the last decade the spiritual warfare is SO much less for me ---those darn devilish spirits
really DO get bored with you when you laugh at them constantly like a buzzing fly ---
you're no longer any 'fun'!

[Larry Caldwell]

What kind of spirits? Are you postulating some kind of mental parasite that inhabits the brain? It's well known that mental illness is contagious. Do you think there is person to person infection?

[sub]

Originally Posted by KemBro71

I actually find that when I listen to (or interact with) true/actual scientists they overwhelmingly exhibit a quiet, open-minded demeanor and almost always stay in a pretty modest mindset as far as describing the bounds on knowledge.

Lay people that google stuff, and read pop articles and summaries of important things and then vomit them back at you non-stop aren't representative of "science." It's just rabid googling/mansplaining verbal salad.

True.
Perhaps I could have left out "modern science" but unfortunately it gets intertwined with people's worldview a bit more than it should.
We're more primitive in our knowledge than we think we are. In some ways, I think primitive people might have had a better understanding of things than we do.

[sub]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

An aside - rigid thinking is not even necessarily taught.
It is the difference between the Left or Right hemisphere of the brain having dominance.
Right brainers are the artists types, open to the unseen, etc.
Left brainers are the pilots, very concrete thinkers.

Both have their place!

I would generally agree with that, but sometimes, otherwise "open-minded" people get caught up in resting on laurels.

[Oklazona Bound]

Originally Posted by rstevens62

That is relative though...at that time, they thought they had the world figured out, (same as people do today)! The future usually proves them wrong!

They attributed most things to god's will or acts of god. It was a broad brush that could apply to almost anything, all you needed was to believe. But was short on facts.

And yes we have figured out that there is a scientific explanation for most if not everything. And there may be some tweaking of some of this but the fundamentals are sound. The foundation is facts not belief.

[rstevens62]

Originally Posted by Oklazona Bound

They attributed most things to god's will or acts of god. It was a broad brush that could apply to almost anything, all you needed was to believe. But was short on facts.

And yes we have figured out that there is a scientific explanation for most if not everything. And there may be some tweaking of some of this but the fundamentals are sound. The foundation is facts not belief.

I know what you are saying...but they also said the same exact things 100s of years ago too! They TRULY believed their explanations were sound and factual.


I just read some things that talked about how in the middle east just a few decades ago, they would execute someone immediately, and without a trial , if they were thought to be 'consorting with Djinn'(ISlamic demons basically), apparently even police get involved in this, they will shoot someone if they are said to be consorting with Djinn.



Another more recent incident in a rural part of Africa, supposedly a crowd of people saw this person 'shapeshift' into a duck or half man, half duck, (it didnt explain what it looked like though), and the crowd grabbed this person and put a rope around its neck and they escorted him to another part of town, where he was thrown to the ground and the crowd surrounded him, and they beat him to death. It only gave 2 pictures, it looked to be from the mid 90s, the person in the center looked exactly like the rest of the crowd.