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Old 05-20-2020, 08:16 PM
 
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I know what you are saying...but they also said the same exact things 100s of years ago too! They TRULY believed their explanations were sound and factual.
You really cannot compare modern science to superstitions. Which is what you are trying to do. We have those people today. They are part of organized religion. They believe that the explanations from thousands of years ago are still correct and they still believe them. But the general trend for the past century or so is to trust science.

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I just read some things that talked about how in the middle east just a few decades ago, they would execute someone immediately, and without a trial , if they were thought to be 'consorting with Djinn'(ISlamic demons basically), apparently even police get involved in this, they will shoot someone if they are said to be consorting with Djinn.
There are still a lot of backwards people in the world. But these are holdovers from a time when everyone was like this. They are dinosaurs.

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Another more recent incident in a rural part of Africa, supposedly a crowd of people saw this person 'shapeshift' into a duck or half man, half duck, (it didnt explain what it looked like though), and the crowd grabbed this person and put a rope around its neck and they escorted him to another part of town, where he was thrown to the ground and the crowd surrounded him, and they beat him to death. It only gave 2 pictures, it looked to be from the mid 90s, the person in the center looked exactly like the rest of the crowd.
So you are saying that this sort of mindset is going to replace science at some point? I am not getting what you are trying to say with this reference.

I think what you are tying to say is that perhaps at some point in the future we will get to a deeper meaning of things and discover that science was way off. But there have been people throughout recorded history that there are laws to things and how they work and the only thing that took it to modern times to become acceptable was the church threatening people for committing blasphemy by daring to say the church may be wrong. So I would be surprised if that happened.

All I can go by myself it what knowledge that is currently available. And for me at this point in time science is the best choice. But I am open to listen to new possibilities.
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Old 05-20-2020, 11:38 PM
 
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You really cannot compare modern science to superstitions. Which is what you are trying to do. We have those people today. They are part of organized religion. They believe that the explanations from thousands of years ago are still correct and they still believe them. But the general trend for the past century or so is to trust science.


There are still a lot of backwards people in the world. But these are holdovers from a time when everyone was like this. They are dinosaurs.


So you are saying that this sort of mindset is going to replace science at some point? I am not getting what you are trying to say with this reference.

I think what you are tying to say is that perhaps at some point in the future we will get to a deeper meaning of things and discover that science was way off. But there have been people throughout recorded history that there are laws to things and how they work and the only thing that took it to modern times to become acceptable was the church threatening people for committing blasphemy by daring to say the church may be wrong. So I would be surprised if that happened.

All I can go by myself it what knowledge that is currently available. And for me at this point in time science is the best choice. But I am open to listen to new possibilities.
I have a sneaky feeling, some of the things they blamed on 'demons and evil spirits'...they were correct all along, and its only todays modern world that has killed off God/devil and replaced them with 'scientifically explainable' causes.


What is the greatest trick Satan has played on man....to make them believe he does not even exist!


Im not saying demons cause headaches, or you need to have your head drilled open to release evil spirits, but I do believe these things are responsible for some things, our modern world has glossed over and replaced with something less 'bizarre'.
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Old 05-21-2020, 07:29 AM
 
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I have a sneaky feeling, some of the things they blamed on 'demons and evil spirits'...they were correct all along, and its only todays modern world that has killed off God/devil and replaced them with 'scientifically explainable' causes.
All I can say is science has opened the door to solving all sorts of crimes and setting innocent people free. Helped cure diseases, advanced all sorts of technology. Its been the last century or so when science has been allowed to prosper and not constrained by the church that all these advances have happened. That is all part of science not just if god exists. And the above is all real. If science was nothing more than just a belief system none of the above would exist today.

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What is the greatest trick Satan has played on man....to make them believe he does not even exist!
My mom is very religious and that is usually her explanation to science. People can believe what they want.

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Im not saying demons cause headaches, or you need to have your head drilled open to release evil spirits, but I do believe these things are responsible for some things, our modern world has glossed over and replaced with something less 'bizarre'.
Like I said believe what you want.
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Old 05-21-2020, 11:27 AM
 
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I prefer things more substantial than "sneaky feelings."
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Old 05-21-2020, 10:32 PM
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All I can say is science has opened the door to solving all sorts of crimes and setting innocent people free. Helped cure diseases, advanced all sorts of technology. Its been the last century or so when science has been allowed to prosper and not constrained by the church that all these advances have happened. That is all part of science not just if god exists. And the above is all real. If science was nothing more than just a belief system none of the above would exist today.

My mom is very religious and that is usually her explanation to science. People can believe what they want.


Like I said believe what you want.
I don't think the last 100 years of scientific advancement had anything at all to do with religious interference or lack thereof. It is a fascinating way to look at things I guess.
Every generation believes itself to be the most advanced and enlightened. 500 years from now, we'll look pretty primitive and foolish, I suppose, to those of that time who think they're on the cutting edge of human knowledge.
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Old 05-21-2020, 11:36 PM
 
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I prefer things more substantial than "sneaky feelings."
You shouldnt think like that Kembro... This world IS NOT ALL PHYSICAL!! (You cant close your eyes to stuff you cant see -- That would be saying WE ARE THE ONLY ONES AND THE PHYSICAL REALM IS THE ONLY REALM which isnt true)
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Old 05-22-2020, 07:32 AM
 
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You shouldnt think like that Kembro... This world IS NOT ALL PHYSICAL!! (You cant close your eyes to stuff you cant see -- That would be saying WE ARE THE ONLY ONES AND THE PHYSICAL REALM IS THE ONLY REALM which isnt true)
Will other people remember your name a year after you die? How about a hundred or a thousand years after you die. As the world population soars; it becomes harder and harder to remember even those that once seemed important.

We like to think of ourselves as important and immortal; but is that really the case? Nobody has ever come back from the grave that was truly dead (I am not talking about NDEs where the mind is still functioning). We have dreamers that want followers; but we have no evidence that any of this is possible. At some time we would need to team up science and the paranormal to study these possibilities. But the paranormal seems to have a very hard time producing on demand.
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Old 05-22-2020, 09:04 AM
 
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Will other people remember your name a year after you die? How about a hundred or a thousand years after you die. As the world population soars; it becomes harder and harder to remember even those that once seemed important.

We like to think of ourselves as important and immortal; but is that really the case? Nobody has ever come back from the grave that was truly dead (I am not talking about NDEs where the mind is still functioning). We have dreamers that want followers; but we have no evidence that any of this is possible. At some time we would need to team up science and the paranormal to study these possibilities. But the paranormal seems to have a very hard time producing on demand.
Its hard to believe its 2020 and we dont know what happens after death yet. Hopefully someone out there is attempting to solve this mystery or at least shed some light on it.


I would have thought this would be an interest for the secular world, seeing as how they could scientifically disprove Gods existence, but maybe they are worried they would find the opposite to be true?


I dont think there is any harm in people knowing what happens after death, no matter what the truth turned out to be, it would be what it is, nothing we could do the change it, we could only make changes in our own lives (if that is found to have any impact anyway).
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Old 05-22-2020, 10:51 AM
 
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Its hard to believe its 2020 and we dont know what happens after death yet. Hopefully someone out there is attempting to solve this mystery or at least shed some light on it.


I would have thought this would be an interest for the secular world, seeing as how they could scientifically disprove Gods existence, but maybe they are worried they would find the opposite to be true?


I dont think there is any harm in people knowing what happens after death, no matter what the truth turned out to be, it would be what it is, nothing we could do the change it, we could only make changes in our own lives (if that is found to have any impact anyway).
We turn to dust - case closed!
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Old 05-22-2020, 11:04 AM
 
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We turn to dust - case closed!
Yes, that is what happens to our physical, flesh and blood bodies...but what happens to our conscious self? Does it just go to black or do we go somewhere else?
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