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Old 06-27-2020, 07:27 AM
 
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This we can agree on!


But the human race MUST try anything it can too.


I do get the feeling 'Space force' was created for another purpose, I think maybe our govt is aware of a off planet threat and is taking steps to defend itself, it seems like we are being primed, so its not such a HUGE shock when they show up one day.
I think the same way.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...reports-336021
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Old 06-27-2020, 10:00 AM
 
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Its possible, but then again, if an alien race wanted the public to know of its existence, there is NOTHING any earthly govt could do to hide it!



The fact that the 'aliens' we are dealing with, appear to prefer keeping their identity a secret, I cannot help but think that is significant.
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Old 06-27-2020, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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The fact that the 'aliens' we are dealing with, appear to prefer keeping their identity a secret, I cannot help but think that is significant.
So is the fact that there's typically a strong air of absurdity surrounding contact with the 'aliens'. Sometimes they do tell us where they're from, but the answers tend to be crazy. The things they do often make little sense. And the 'airships' they use tend to reflect the expectations of the observer - read the accounts of the 'airships' in the 1890s in particular. You also see a lot of accounts of encounters with the inhabitants of faerie in past centuries that reflect details in modern accounts of close encounters: missing time, the offering of bread or pancakes, zapping with a weapon or 'gas' causing paralysis, etc. Ditto with the accounts of religious visitations like Fatima. Jacques Vallee thinks these accounts represent some sort of psychological control mechanism (control by whom and for what purposes isn't clear). The late Fr. Seraphim Rose believed the control mechanism was demonic in nature. Both Vallee and Fr. Rose point out that new pseudo-religions have arisen as a result of the manipulation. Whatever the reality of the phenomenon, I tend to side with Vallee and Rose - its not all hallucinations and fakery, but it's likely to be a lot weirder than 'space aliens' flying 'spaceships' around.
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Old 06-27-2020, 04:52 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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I've stated my position on this here before: I think it's probable that there are intelligent civilizations in the Universe besides us but we are all too far apart to interact. I don't think our planet has been visited by others, but the common points in the story of the death, disappearance, resurrection/ascent into the heavens of Christ and his claims to be sent by God (we all know the story) and the story of the death/disappearance of Romulus as he was engulfed by clouds & loud noise, then later, temporary reappearance and explanation that he was sent by the gods is worthy of consideration. https://romaoptima.com/blogs/history...ath-of-romulus
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Old 06-28-2020, 12:22 AM
 
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So is the fact that there's typically a strong air of absurdity surrounding contact with the 'aliens'. Sometimes they do tell us where they're from, but the answers tend to be crazy. The things they do often make little sense. And the 'airships' they use tend to reflect the expectations of the observer - read the accounts of the 'airships' in the 1890s in particular. You also see a lot of accounts of encounters with the inhabitants of faerie in past centuries that reflect details in modern accounts of close encounters: missing time, the offering of bread or pancakes, zapping with a weapon or 'gas' causing paralysis, etc. Ditto with the accounts of religious visitations like Fatima. Jacques Vallee thinks these accounts represent some sort of psychological control mechanism (control by whom and for what purposes isn't clear). The late Fr. Seraphim Rose believed the control mechanism was demonic in nature. Both Vallee and Fr. Rose point out that new pseudo-religions have arisen as a result of the manipulation. Whatever the reality of the phenomenon, I tend to side with Vallee and Rose - its not all hallucinations and fakery, but it's likely to be a lot weirder than 'space aliens' flying 'spaceships' around.
Yes, back in the 40s and 50s, people that had encounters, always said the 'aliens' told them, they were from the moon, or Venus, Mars, some other planet in our system, (interestingly, this was before mankind could disprove any of those planets held life)...of course, contactees today, report the aliens are now telling them they are from 'some other dimension, another star system...essentially, just more new places that mankind is currently not capable of disproving has life...I wonder what the aliens will say in 200 yrs? Will their origins of their home world change again?!


As much as I hate to say it...I fear they may be demonic.
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Old 06-28-2020, 10:07 AM
 
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Yes, back in the 40s and 50s, people that had encounters, always said the 'aliens' told them, they were from the moon, or Venus, Mars, some other planet in our system,
I seem to recall the pilot of one of the 'airships' back in the 1890s said they were from some place in Europe, maybe France.
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Old 06-28-2020, 06:27 PM
 
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To say we do not have anti-gravity is a really silly statement since none of us are working in that kind of environment where we would know the truth of the statement, and even if we did, it would be a security leak if it was revealed. So please no more assertions we dont have anti-gravity - it just is not true. People should not believe you (Mark S) or me, they should make up their own minds based on the evidence they see with their own eyes in the space around them.

One of the things we never take into account is that if these aliens come from another dimension, they could be living on the Sun or Venus and it would be a totally different environment than the one we experience or know. In another dimension, the Sun could be a place like earth or any other environment so what they say may actually be the truth, just not in our 3D reality.

I know this sounds weird, but it true, another dimension would be in the same space (as the Sun for example) but would have a totally different character and environment. Many of the effects of UFOs could be as a result of inter-dimensional travel. The changing colours, the morphing into different shapes, the sudden appearance, etc all suggest something which comes in and leaves rather like the experience of a 2D being experiencing a finger tracing a 2D line.

At this stage of our evolution, we really have no idea what these things are and might as well be Gods for all we know about their world.
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Old 07-06-2020, 07:14 AM
 
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To say we do not have anti-gravity is a really silly statement since none of us are working in that kind of environment where we would know the truth of the statement, and even if we did, it would be a security leak if it was revealed. So please no more assertions we dont have anti-gravity - it just is not true. People should not believe you (Mark S) or me, they should make up their own minds based on the evidence they see with their own eyes in the space around them.
^ Precisely.

So if it makes you feel better, I'll rephrase: We have no evidence that human civilization has anti-gravity technology.
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Old 07-06-2020, 11:08 AM
 
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^ Precisely.

So if it makes you feel better, I'll rephrase: We have no evidence that human civilization has anti-gravity technology.
I did read something the other day about experiments using sound frequencies to overcome gravity, its not really new though, its an ancient technology, but I cannot fathom why this ever died out or why people stopped using it.


Im not an engineer or anything, but seems like if you knew the correct frequency, considering how our digital technology is fairly advanced today, it may be possible to power a vehicle or transport of some kind using only sound frequencies! Once you found the frequency to 'lift' the vehicle, some way would have to be devised to make it go forward, and be able to stop, start on the go.



**But Im sure everyone else can see the BIG problem with this...it would be totally FREE to operate this vehicle (minus the cost of producing the tone of course), but point is, you would not have to purchase any fuel to make your vehicle go, (such a thing would destroy the global economy)
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Old 07-06-2020, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Maine
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I did read something the other day about experiments using sound frequencies to overcome gravity, its not really new though, its an ancient technology, but I cannot fathom why this ever died out or why people stopped using it.
Let's see it.


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Im not an engineer or anything, but seems like if you knew the correct frequency, considering how our digital technology is fairly advanced today, it may be possible to power a vehicle or transport of some kind using only sound frequencies! Once you found the frequency to 'lift' the vehicle, some way would have to be devised to make it go forward, and be able to stop, start on the go.
I am skeptical, simply because sound is a vibration traveling through a medium (air, liquid, etc.). To provide enough "lift" would probably require too much energy input for it to be feasible. But hey, if someone has figured out a way, let's see it.

Overcoming gravity is so difficult because it is only in recent decades that we have begun to understand what gravity is. We've made some great breakthroughs in recent years, but we are still only reading the first few pages of gravity's very long instruction manual.

What is gravity?
https://www.livescience.com/37115-what-is-gravity.html

What is gravity?
https://www.space.com/classical-gravity.html
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