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Old 07-11-2020, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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But, hey, one day someone will come along and be a new "Tesla" and examine things from a different angle.
I am that Tesla, and I am here to tell all of you, that beyond earth, there is no such thing as time.
Time exist in earth's human existence only, for convenience.
Earth measures distance, events, seasonal changes etc, by time.
Everything on earth is "timed", and beyond that, there is no time.
Our human future is non-existent.
We are here, we die, then we are human no more.
We join the others who went before us in the universe.

What is beyond earth is not for the human mind to comprehend.
We are only allowed to know what it is we know.
In other words, we are limited by design in our quest to know what is, and isn't beyond the boundaries of earth.

We fly to the moon, and what we think is deep space, and are constantly learning from these journey's, but compared to the universe, these are feeble attempts at gaining a thorough understanding of the universe.
If we were programmed to know the unknown, we would already have the answers, and knowledge we seek to gain, it would not need to be learned.
We would not have to speculate about time travel, time warps etc, for we would already know these things, if they exist at all.
It is "human nature" to want to know more of the things we have no knowledge of, but nothing stops us from speculating.

Regarding this "time travel" issue, why would there suddenly be "time", where none has been before?
There is "time" because that is what the earth demands for it's inhabitants.
We exist on time.
Time travel is pure speculation in the human mind.
Time does not exist beyond earth.
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Old 07-12-2020, 03:14 AM
 
Location: PRC
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Dont believe everything you read. Thats what I would say. Find out for yourself by direct experimentation and always question your sources. This seems to be the best advice I give myself and is what made Tesla a true genius of his day. His inventions are still being used today and some are still undisclosed and secret.

I think the folks like William Buhlman have it right, when they say we are all multidimensional beings using body-vehicles to explore other realities so we can progress spiritually towards Source. If we want to explore other realities, then we hop into another body-vehicle and go off exploring in that reality. That is what we do when we get born, go out-of-body, or die - we just hop into another energetic body-vehicle and off we go.
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Old 07-12-2020, 03:45 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Time does exist beyond Earth! We are all winding down; energy is being consumed and dissipated into the far reaches of the void. Planets, solar systems, galaxies will collide - their clocks are counting down.

Even our Sun has a clock as it consumes all the hydrogen: https://www.universetoday.com/12648/...s-a-red-giant/. All stars are burning their fuel and will eventually run out of options.

To deal with the known cataclysmic events we must accurately predict the time tables. If a stray asteroid from another galaxy is approaching; we have to know when. Maybe we can alter its course or move out the way? Saying that time does not exist outside of Earth is foolish when it is the only time we would have to prepare; if we want to survive.
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Old 07-12-2020, 07:58 AM
 
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Time does exist beyond Earth! We are all winding down; energy is being consumed and dissipated into the far reaches of the void. Planets, solar systems, galaxies will collide - their clocks are counting down.

Even our Sun has a clock as it consumes all the hydrogen: https://www.universetoday.com/12648/...s-a-red-giant/. All stars are burning their fuel and will eventually run out of options.

To deal with the known cataclysmic events we must accurately predict the time tables. If a stray asteroid from another galaxy is approaching; we have to know when. Maybe we can alter its course or move out the way? Saying that time does not exist outside of Earth is foolish when it is the only time we would have to prepare; if we want to survive.
You are right, even if you jump in a space ship and skip on over to the next galaxy (or a galaxy 100 gazillion light years away), planets and other celestial bodies will be doing the same things they are in our galaxy, (orbiting suns and other larger bodies, moving in the direction gravity pulls them)...ALL OF THIS requires the passage of time.


I guess its up for debate whether 'time' exists in a place...if there is no entity there to recognize or record it, but Im not sure where to start with that, Is an hour in that galaxy the same as it is here? IDK, seems like it would be the same, but Im not sure it is, since there is NO ONE present to experience it...so in essence, time would be irrelevant in those places...right?



Now, when the discussion goes into possible other dimensions...that is whole other ballgame.
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Old 07-12-2020, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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You are right, even if you jump in a space ship and skip on over to the next galaxy (or a galaxy 100 gazillion light years away), planets and other celestial bodies will be doing the same things they are in our galaxy, (orbiting suns and other larger bodies, moving in the direction gravity pulls them)...ALL OF THIS requires the passage of time.


I guess its up for debate whether 'time' exists in a place...if there is no entity there to recognize or record it, but Im not sure where to start with that.



Now, when the discussion goes into possible other dimensions...that is whole other ballgame.
That has neither been proven nor disproven. It is like talking about talking donkeys on a distant moon when we did not have the capabilities to reach that moon. We can speculate all we want, but that does not make it a reality.

According to most astronomers, we are all moving away from the big bang. That could be where time started for our universe. But we don't know what was before the big bang; did it happen before. Where did the matter come from that sparked the big explosion? Is it possible that we live in just one of the countless uninverses? My spell check wants to correct the plural "s" I put on the universe; it knows of only one. We are too small, too insignificant, and definitely too far away to ever know the answers to some of these questions. But we can always speculate.

Here is a good article on the Big Bang: https://medium.com/starts-with-a-ban...e-985bf470378d. Our answers create even more questions.
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Old 07-12-2020, 10:31 AM
 
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That has neither been proven nor disproven. It is like talking about talking donkeys on a distant moon when we did not have the capabilities to reach that moon. We can speculate all we want, but that does not make it a reality.

According to most astronomers, we are all moving away from the big bang. That could be where time started for our universe. But we don't know what was before the big bang; did it happen before. Where did the matter come from that sparked the big explosion? Is it possible that we live in just one of the countless uninverses? My spell check wants to correct the plural "s" I put on the universe; it knows of only one. We are too small, too insignificant, and definitely too far away to ever know the answers to some of these questions. But we can always speculate.

Here is a good article on the Big Bang: https://medium.com/starts-with-a-ban...e-985bf470378d. Our answers create even more questions.
Overall, I agree with you on this, although I think they have shown 'other dimensions' existing, is likely, ( I believe they have proven this mathematically, but I could be wrong on that).


That is a good question about the Big bang...where did the 'material' come from when this HUGE explosion took place? (if it was one solid chunk, that would have been a VERY VERY large chunk!!), and something would have had to create that too, so...it kind of becomes pointless to speculate after awhile, these are just things we do not know and probably cannot know.


It is interesting to discuss though.
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Old 07-12-2020, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Time does exist beyond Earth! We are all winding down; energy is being consumed and dissipated into the far reaches of the void. Planets, solar systems, galaxies will collide - their clocks are counting down.

Even our Sun has a clock as it consumes all the hydrogen: https://www.universetoday.com/12648/...s-a-red-giant/. All stars are burning their fuel and will eventually run out of options.

To deal with the known cataclysmic events we must accurately predict the time tables. If a stray asteroid from another galaxy is approaching; we have to know when. Maybe we can alter its course or move out the way? Saying that time does not exist outside of Earth is foolish when it is the only time we would have to prepare; if we want to survive.
You are basing everything on "earth time".
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Old 07-12-2020, 01:15 PM
 
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You are basing everything on "earth time".
So an alien race uses another measurement for time? What difference does it make? It is still time; even if there are no aliens.

Take our yardstick for the measurement of distances in space: the light year. If we turn on a powerful flashlight on Earth pointing toward a distant planet and they do the same at the exact nanosecond we turn our on, we would see their light the second they saw our light. If it would take a million years to get to us, it would take a million years for our light to get to them. They would probably use a different yardstick, but the actual length of time would be the same for both of us.

Did an alien tell you they use a different time? How do you know they did not get their measurements from watching too much of our TV?
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Old 07-12-2020, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Maine
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That is a good question about the Big bang...where did the 'material' come from when this HUGE explosion took place?
No one knows for sure, although string theorists hypothesize that our Big Bang was the result of two alternate universes colliding. Are they right? Who knows?

And even if they are right, it still doesn't answer the question of Ultimate Beginning. If the Big Bang came from two higher dimensions colliding, where did those higher dimensions come from? Even higher dimensions? Okay, well where did they come from? Science tells us (rightly so) that things don't "just happen." There is a cause for everything. So what was the First Cause?


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(if it was one solid chunk, that would have been a VERY VERY large chunk!!)
Actually, scientists think it was small, maybe even atomic size --- though if the universe didn't yet exist, what is "small" and "big?" Compared to what?


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and something would have had to create that too, so...it kind of becomes pointless to speculate after awhile.
It's not pointless, but it is the point where science must intersect with philosophy and/or religion --- and some scientists of the strict materialist bent get even more bent when you go there.
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Old 07-12-2020, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Tucson Arizona
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Realistically...if the technology to 'time travel' is ever discovered, this is probably what it would look like to the times they are visiting, (UFOs).


Ive mentioned before that their craft have always looked about the same, even going back 1000s of years, there are different sizes and shapes of crafts, but generally, they seem to be alike, (built at the same basic time), so why would their aircraft never progress technologically?
Perhaps traveling to the past was a brief fad, maybe even outlawed when some traveller nearly destroyed time and space by killing his grandpa. In that scenario, all the vehicles that visited at any time would have been built around the same time.

Oooh, or maybe time and space WERE destroyed, and we just haven't gotten there yet.

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And even if they are right, it still doesn't answer the question of Ultimate Beginning. If the Big Bang came from two higher dimensions colliding, where did those higher dimensions come from? Even higher dimensions? Okay, well where did they come from? Science tells us (rightly so) that things don't "just happen." There is a cause for everything. So what was the First Cause?
It's turtles all the way down.

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