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Old 07-08-2020, 08:03 AM
 
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Unidentified flying objects (UFOs) have captured the public's attention over the decades. As exoplanet detection is on the rise, why not consider that star-hopping visitors from afar might be buzzing through our friendly skies by taking an interstellar off-ramp to Earth?

On the other hand, could those piloting UFOs be us — our future progeny that have mastered the landscape of time and space? Perhaps those reports of people coming into contact with strange beings represent our distant human descendants, returning from the future to study us in their own evolutionary past.

The idea of us being them has been advanced before. But a recent book, "Identified Flying Objects: A Multidisciplinary Scientific Approach to the UFO Phenomenon" (Masters Creative LLC, 2019), takes a fresh look at this prospect, offering some thought-provoking proposals.

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Larry Lemke, a retired NASA aerospace engineer with an interest in the UFO phenomenon, finds the prospect of time-travelling visitors from the future intriguing.

"The one thing that has become clear over the decades of sightings, if you believe the reports, is that these objects don't seem to be obeying the usual laws of aerodynamics and Newtonian mechanics," Lemke said, referring to the relationship, in the natural world, between force, mass and motion.

Toss in for good measure Einstein's theory of general relativity and its consequences, like wormholes and black holes, along with other exotic physics ideas such as the Alcubierre warp-drive bubble.

"There's a group of thinkers in the field of UFOs that point out that phenomena reported around some UFOs do, in fact, look exactly like general relativity effects," Lemke said. Missing time is a very common one."

Lemke said that the idea that somebody has figured out how to manipulate space-time, on a local scale with a low-energy approach, would explain a lot of things across the UFO phenomenon, including those baffling Tic-Tac-shaped objects recently reported by jet-fighter pilots and radar operators.
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Old 07-08-2020, 09:00 AM
 
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Realistically...if the technology to 'time travel' is ever discovered, this is probably what it would look like to the times they are visiting, (UFOs).


Ive mentioned before that their craft have always looked about the same, even going back 1000s of years, there are different sizes and shapes of crafts, but generally, they seem to be alike, (built at the same basic time), so why would their aircraft never progress technologically?
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Old 07-08-2020, 09:17 AM
 
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Ive mentioned before that their craft have always looked about the same, even going back 1000s of years, there are different sizes and shapes of crafts, but generally, they seem to be alike, (built at the same basic time), so why would their aircraft never progress technologically?
If it is time travel, then every UFO we have ever seen in the past 10,000 years could all be from April 27, 2542 for all we know.

And who is to say they are even serious explorers? It could be teenagers stealing the family flying saucer to come back to the 20th century in search of Twinkies and rock and roll.
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Old 07-08-2020, 09:44 AM
 
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If it is time travel, then every UFO we have ever seen in the past 10,000 years could all be from April 27, 2542 for all we know.

And who is to say they are even serious explorers? It could be teenagers stealing the family flying saucer to come back to the 20th century in search of Twinkies and rock and roll.
IF and when time travel is ever created/discovered, it would first be restricted to serious explorers ( I believe)...it would take 100s of years to reach the point, before teens could go time traveling on a friday night or something!


And even though time itself would be irreverent, to them, at that point...in our view, there would be a marked difference in the type of visits we see, we would see a shift from serious exploration to something more casual. I think the differences would be very apparent.
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Old 07-08-2020, 09:57 AM
 
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IF and when time travel is ever created/discovered, it would first be restricted to serious explorers ( I believe)...it would take 100s of years to reach the point, before teens could go time traveling on a friday night or something!

And even though time itself would be irreverent, to them, at that point...in our view, there would be a marked difference in the type of visits we see, we would see a shift from serious exploration to something more casual. I think the differences would be very apparent.
You're still thinking linearly --- "older" ="more primitive" while "more recent" = "more advanced."

Once you enter time travel into the equation, all that goes off the table. They could be sending their most advanced missions back to the Cretaceous Period, while 1992 gets their first mission.

There's no hard evidence for any of this. Personally, I find the whole idea of traveling back in time illogical and thoroughly unproven in physics. But who knows?
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Old 07-08-2020, 10:26 AM
 
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You're still thinking linearly --- "older" ="more primitive" while "more recent" = "more advanced."

Once you enter time travel into the equation, all that goes off the table. They could be sending their most advanced missions back to the Cretaceous Period, while 1992 gets their first mission.

There's no hard evidence for any of this. Personally, I find the whole idea of traveling back in time illogical and thoroughly unproven in physics. But who knows?
Yes... (for them with the ability to travel thru time).


But TO US (what we see) would still be linear.


Im not sure they could travel back to such distant past without causing drastic changes to our world, honestly, Im not even sure what that would look like, or how it would transpire!


Its very fantastical, but I do believe, if its possible, 'nature' probably has some way of keeping things straight, it would be neat to see how that all works though.
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Old 07-09-2020, 07:35 PM
 
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Plenty of places on Earth where people have disappeared into thin air so it is perfectly possible there is a natural way to jump from one place to another. IF that can be done with dimensions then there is no reason why there should not be time travel element to it as well. If the military has mastered gravity, then time will be in there too I suspect. Rather like the right-/left hand rule in electronics/motion. thuMb-motion, First-flux, seCond-current.

We just dont understand the environment we live in and no-one is doing anything to investigate these places or disappearances from that (dimensions/time travel/worm holes) point of view. Everything is done from a purely boring CURRENT scientific standpoint. But, hey, one day someone will come along and be a new "Tesla" and examine things from a different angle.
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Old 07-09-2020, 09:46 PM
 
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I tend to think that there are several alien races out there observing us, testing us. We are basically the same as animals in a zoo. Think of a isolated Amazon rain forest tribe with scientists observing them, watching them, learning about their culture and lives but interfering as little as possible with them. It's basically the same thing.
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Old 07-09-2020, 10:02 PM
 
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I tend to think that there are several alien races out there observing us, testing us. We are basically the same as animals in a zoo. Think of a isolated Amazon rain forest tribe with scientists observing them, watching them, learning about their culture and lives but interfering as little as possible with them. It's basically the same thing.
Yet there are other reports of the 'scientists' doing experiments on their lab-rats, which is pretty scary and not good at all for the lab-rats. Mainly because you know what happens to the lab-rats after the experiments have been completed - they get carefully chopped up and all their organs get examined for damage. Then their bodies get dumped in the bin.

I do think there are at least 6 or 7 races involved with our world and the ones which are whizzing about our skies really dont care whether they are seen or not. They know we cannot do anything about it, so they are obviously arrogant and uncaring (maybe have no emotional responses?). If that is the case, then we are in trouble because they do not consider us in the equation at all. So, it only becomes a matter of time before they decide to take their plan whatever that is, to the next stage.

Do we really think that all the races out there have a Star-Trek-like "dont interfere with the natives" rule? I dont.
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Old 07-09-2020, 10:12 PM
 
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Yet there are other reports of the 'scientists' doing experiments on their lab-rats, which is pretty scary and not good at all for the lab-rats. Mainly because you know what happens to the lab-rats after the experiments have been completed - they get carefully chopped up and all their organs get examined for damage. Then their bodies get dumped in the bin.

I do think there are at least 6 or 7 races involved with our world and the ones which are whizzing about our skies really dont care whether they are seen or not. They know we cannot do anything about it, so they are obviously arrogant and uncaring (maybe have no emotional responses?). If that is the case, then we are in trouble because they do not consider us in the equation at all. So, it only becomes a matter of time before they decide to take their plan whatever that is, to the next stage.

Do we really think that all the races out there have a Star-Trek-like "dont interfere with the natives" rule? I dont.
Unless a new alien race discovers us with bad intentions in mind, then I wouldn't worry about it. Those already observing us could have killed us off easily thousands of years ago if doing so was any benefit to them. I think they enjoy observing in a scientific way.
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