MUFON director caught trying to meet a 13 yr old girl (government, activity)

[kokonutty]

Put me down for another who needed to Google MUFON.

Someone's surprised that crazy people don't limit their activities to a single outlet?

[KemBro71]

Originally Posted by ocpaul20

No, I agree with you that it is something which shows the culture concerned is a male-dominated one which is damaging for the women in that society. As a human race, we are not developed enough to NOT have these societies. If women rose up and put a stop to this kind of practice, then it would be a much better balanced society. Actually, often the women DO have more power than the men, for example the person who "wears the trousers" in a family is often the woman, but they need to take that power and use it productively

I am not saying this situation is OK at all, I am saying this is how it IS in some cultures (because some people are unaware this is so) So we need to make new rules across the board but also NOT impose our 'rules' on others which is what many countries and religions try and do. (US/China/Russia/Christians/Muslims/etc)

Humans have to learn for themselves and not have other races impose rules on them - otherwise they will just be an "oppressed nation" and resent the oppressor.

It's 2020, not 1820.

The MUFON guy is a perv criminal AND a nutjob.

[K12144]

Originally Posted by ocpaul20

Of course there are far more issues involved when we start talking about pre-menstrual women and children.

Despite what all of the feel-good propaganda would like to tell us, no, a girl isn't "a woman now" as soon as she gets a few drops of blood coming out of her ladyparts. Grown adults raping children, "premenstrual" or not, is bad, period (no pun intended).

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

Seriously?! I rather think the 13-year-olds aren't thrilled with it, so it's not "cultural" to them! These are cultures, where men make the rules, so it's institutionalized pedophelia/child rape. It's a huge medical problem in parts of Africa, too, because if the girls are even able to conceive at that age, their hips aren't wide enough yet to carry a child and have a normal delivery, so their bladder and other internal parts get torn during the delivery process. After that, they go around dribbling urine and feces, and need surgery to fix it.

So much for "cultural". TMI? Awww, so sorry!

Can't rep you again so I'll do it publicly. THIS.

Originally Posted by ocpaul20

If women rose up and put a stop to this kind of practice, then it would be a much better balanced society. Actually, often the women DO have more power than the men, for example the person who "wears the trousers" in a family is often the woman, but they need to take that power and use it productively

Now we're blaming children for their own rape???

Originally Posted by ocpaul20

So we need to make new rules across the board but also NOT impose our 'rules' on others which is what many countries and religions try and do. (US/China/Russia/Christians/Muslims/etc)

Humans have to learn for themselves and not have other races impose rules on them - otherwise they will just be an "oppressed nation" and resent the oppressor.

I suppose you'd still believe that if you were one of the people being oppressed by another culture?

[D217]

Originally Posted by Happy in Wyoming

This thread does nothing but disrupt. I plan to ignore both the thread as well as its participants. I hope that others will do the same.

Disrupt....what exactly?



Ignore me away tho

[Mark S.]

Originally Posted by KemBro71

It's 2020, not 1820.

The MUFON guy is a perv criminal AND a nutjob.

Yup.

I'll acknowledge that there are a lot of cultural differences in what is and isn't accepted sexual behavior throughout history and even across current day cultures.

But this guy knew what he was doing and knew it was very, very, very wrong. He did it anyway. He should be given a fair trial, followed by severe punishment.

[rstevens62]

Originally Posted by Mark S.

Yup.

I'll acknowledge that there are a lot of cultural differences in what is and isn't accepted sexual behavior throughout history and even across current day cultures.

But this guy knew what he was doing and knew it was very, very, very wrong. He did it anyway. He should be given a fair trial, followed by severe punishment.

Ive mentioned this before on another thread, but there was a considerable age difference between my grandparents, My grandpa was around 23-24 when he came home from WW2, my grandmother was 14 at the time, they married shortly after and had 3 kids, they went on to live happily together, they were married for over 60yrs, they died within a year of each other.


Its strange, because they were well respected members in the community and their church parish, where they were very active, NO ONE ever said a bad word about them (or the age difference), they city and county even recognized them on their 60th wedding anniversary!

[Mark S.]

Originally Posted by rstevens62

Ive mentioned this before on another thread, but there was a considerable age difference between my grandparents, My grandpa was around 23-24 when he came home from WW2, my grandmother was 14 at the time, they married shortly after and had 3 kids, they went on to live happily together, they were married for over 60yrs, they died within a year of each other.


Its strange, because they were well respected members in the community and their church parish, where they were very active, NO ONE ever said a bad word about them (or the age difference), they city and county even recognized them on their 60th wedding anniversary!

Yeah, I get it. My mom married when she was still a teenager. But two big things to consider:

One, kids in previous generations grew up A LOT faster than kids today.

Two, this particular case was nothing like your grandparents or my mom. This was a guy (allegedly) baiting an underage girl online for a clandestine meeting. And she wasn't seventeen or even a precocious fifteen. She was thirteen. Say what you will about previous generations' standards, this case has creepy all over it.

[fisheye]

Originally Posted by Mark S.

Yeah, I get it. My mom married when she was still a teenager. But two big things to consider:

One, kids in previous generations grew up A LOT faster than kids today.

Two, this particular case was nothing like your grandparents or my mom. This was a guy (allegedly) baiting an underage girl online for a clandestine meeting. And she wasn't seventeen or even a precocious fifteen. She was thirteen. Say what you will about previous generations' standards, this case has creepy all over it.

Do we know for sure that he was baiting an underage girl or if this is a case of entrapment by an overly zealous police department? We will have to wait and see. If he is guilty I hope they throw the book at him, but we have to wait for the details. I am kind of curious why he left a good position at IBM? But I am over-thinking this and I will not know until the trial and all the evidence is produced.

[parentologist]

Originally Posted by Mark S.

Ick. Innocent until proven guilty. But if he is guilty, I hope he shares a cell with some Hell's Angels.

I remember several years ago there was an article in the LA Times about law enforcement's arrests of pedophile rings and such. They said that of 100 or so arrests they made, "all but one" were "die-hard Trekkies." Spock would be so ashamed.

I can't find a link to the original article, but it is referenced here: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pedop...9S2b43HqZ_HJ0c

And it isn't just the USA. Same trend in Canada: Trekkies and Kiddie Porn - Lee Goldberg

It's because men on the autistic spectrum are fascinated by Star Trek, and have great difficulty forming sexual relationships with adults. So they turn to children, who are awed by their "maturity" and don't have the sophistication to perceive the adult's social immaturity. It's not that there's a connection between Star Trek and pedophilia - it's that autistic spectrum men are drawn to both Star Trek and child sex partners. Of course, many are only consuming child pornography, and not actually trying to have sex with children.

[mascoma]

Originally Posted by Mark S.

I haven't seen the MUFON-related arrest on any major news outlet. Only nerds like us seem to even be aware of it.

I'd bet money that if you asked 100 people on the street, "What is MUFON?" you'd be lucky to get one correct answer.

I had to google it. I'm surprised that these operations still work. To Catch a Predator was on for years.