Alien spaceships and the speed of light (phenomenon, lights, vision)

[saltine]

They may as well be from right here on (or in) earth. No less a stretch than saying theyre from afar. In fact the most reasonable explanation is they are simply a fellow earth life form which we havent catagorized yet. Beyond that its supernatural.

[Ruth4Truth]

Maybe, if being material is the problem with approaching c, they've mastered the ability to transform into energy for travel, then back into matter again. Doing that with their travel craft might be a bit more of a trick, but ... I'm just tossing this out there for thought.

Maybe they just "beam" themselves from one place to another.

[NatesDude]

Just out of curiosity, why are the far fetched explanations of how aliens could defy physics and get here more appealing than the overwhelming scientific probability that they aren’t getting here at all due to the laws of physics, and that some other explanation for what is being seen is more rational ?

[TheArchitect]

Originally Posted by Yelling_at_Birds

Also consider the possibility that the visitors may have transcended biology. Machine intelligence may not care if they had to remain in a high speed vessel for hundreds or thousands of years.

According to many experts, this is much more likely than not.

[NCSweettea]

For one they can harness the energy of stars which is mind blowing, 1 second of our dubs energy can generate enough energy for the entire earth for 1 billion years!

Many think they travel from parallel universes etc.

Also many theorize they are our future ancestors aka time travelers. In one of the most documented cases ever a military sergeant was given a code in his brain. He wrote the code down on a scrap paper only to forget about it until years later he mentioned it. After an investigation was initiated, years later, specialists were able to crack the code. It stated:

We are from the year 8100, we are your future ancestors, we are not here to harm you.”

[SoCal25]

Originally Posted by Tetto

There’s always the possibility they have discovered “different and interesting” new physics that allow for FTL travel. We can’t imagine it at our current level of development, but neither could the director of the patent office at the turn of the 19th century imagine space flight, larger commercial aircraft etc when he famously said (paraphrasing here…) that everything that could be invented, has been invented. Wow was he ever wrong.

Like most quotes floating around, it's not true and really only started appearing in the 1980s and at best was traced back to a joke from 1899 that had nothing do with Charles Duell to whom the quote is attributed.


Here's a real quote from him:


"In my opinion, all previous advances in the various lines of invention will appear totally insignificant when compared with those which the present century will witness. I almost wish that I might live my life over again to see the wonders which are at the threshold."

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by NatesDude

Just out of curiosity, why are the far fetched explanations of how aliens could defy physics and get here more appealing than the overwhelming scientific probability that they aren’t getting here at all due to the laws of physics, and that some other explanation for what is being seen is more rational ?

Which far-fetched explanations are you referring to, exactly? We can't answer your question if you don't tell us.

[NatesDude]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

Which far-fetched explanations are you referring to, exactly? We can't answer your question if you don't tell us.

That aliens are here living in the deep oceans, or on Earth but in a different dimensions, transferring back and forth into pure energy, being beamed around the universe.

Why is "maybe they are not real but misunderstanding or illusions" not a consideration instead of the far out stuff?

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by NatesDude

I am curious how those who believe aliens are visiting us think they have overcome the speed of light limitations of travel throughout the universe.

Congratulations for your False Dilemma Fallacy.

Extra-terrestrials are under no obligation to come from other galaxies, nor are they obligated to travel throughout the universe.

Your government believes as I believe, that they come from our very own Milky Way and specifically from the same region of the Milky Way as Earth, meaning this part of the spiral arm of the Milky Way.

Lest you forget, there are 10,000 G-, K- and M-Class Stars within 50 light years of Earth and the formation of all G-, K-, and M-Class Stars results in the creation of terrestrial planets and the ability to support life.

Extra-terrestrials need not over come the issue of "speed of light limitations."

They only need to achieve speeds fast enough for reasonable travel.

Logic dictates that all extra-terrestrial vehicles can travel at least 40,000 MPH, since that is the speed necessary to escape the gravitational pull of solar systems with G-, K-, and M-Class Stars.

Granted, that is a far cry from the 670 Million MPH that is the speed of light, but there is no law that says if you can't travel at the speed of light you have to sit in a corner and sulk.

Doesn't NASA use the Earth, Moon and Mars to accelerate the speed of their spacecraft?

Yes, they do/have.

Why couldn't extra-terrestrials use their own sun to accelerate their spacecraft?

According to NASA, they can, and they can use solar systems, neutron stars and black holes.

They won't reach the speed of light, but then, they don't have to. They just have to reach a speed that is conducive to space travel.

Consider the black triangle ETVs have a frequency of 20-22 years.

Assuming they can travel at half the speed of light, that suggests their home world is 10-11 light years away.

Or maybe 20-22 light years away, they just signal their home world upon departure and more ETVs are sent to Earth and they exchange data en route so they can follow up on whatever it was they were doing here.

[Driver 47]

Professor Hawking wrote a book Titled "Black holes and Warped Space/time" in the late '70's. I tried to read it, but that book was way over my head. In theory space can be "Folded" for a shortcut between galaxy A & galaxy B, negating the need for FTL drive. If you're an astrophysicst you might be able to understand it .