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Old 12-16-2021, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Puna, Hawaii
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As far as I can tell the military is not forcing people to stay in their home and the military is not administering any vaccine except to military service members. In fact the military is one of the biggest groups opposed to vaccines overall.

And nobody is being held down and forced to get a vaccine.

I’m sure this “dream” lives in the subconscious minds of many of the more paranoid “anti-vaxxers” and has since well before the pandemic.

So I chalk it up to a pile of rubbish in terms of the veracity of its predictive value.
Not to split hairs, but she doesn't specify that they are military, I believe the words were like military.

Also not specified is where the forced vaccinations occurred. There are reports of forced vaccines in China, where the virus is thought to have originated (as well as unsubstantiated reports of aboriginals in Australia). And people in China were barricaded inside of their apartment buildings. And government imposed stay-at-home lockdowns have happened worldwide. Australia now has covid interment camps.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/stor...a-ethics-covid

And who knows... this isn't over yet. I'm not suggesting there is anything in this video other than coincidence. But it's an interesting bunch of coincidences.
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Old 12-17-2021, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Maine
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That's what I think. Certainly there were anti-vax people long before coronavirus. Just not as many.
Yup. Correct.

Here is the thing: There is a smidgen of truth to their arguments. Vaccines should be thoroughly and repeatedly tested to ensure their safety. If patients report ill effects, medical science needs to take their claims seriously and investigate. I totally support all of that.

But you know what?

I have never had polio. I have never had measles. I have never had rubella or tetanus. You know why? VACCINES. They work.

Mass disease and pandemics used to be the way of the world. Lots of people died. That largely stopped in the latter half of the 20th century, so that most people forgot about it. And you know why that happened? VACCINES. They work.

Unless you have a pre-existing medical condition that prevents you from getting the vaccine, go get your freakin' shots already. Seriously, people. I can forgive caution. But willful ignorance is something else.
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Old 12-17-2021, 09:14 AM
 
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Yup. Correct.

Here is the thing: There is a smidgen of truth to their arguments. Vaccines should be thoroughly and repeatedly tested to ensure their safety. If patients report ill effects, medical science needs to take their claims seriously and investigate. I totally support all of that.

But you know what?

I have never had polio. I have never had measles. I have never had rubella or tetanus. You know why? VACCINES. They work.

Mass disease and pandemics used to be the way of the world. Lots of people died. That largely stopped in the latter half of the 20th century, so that most people forgot about it. And you know why that happened? VACCINES. They work.

Unless you have a pre-existing medical condition that prevents you from getting the vaccine, go get your freakin' shots already. Seriously, people. I can forgive caution. But willful ignorance is something else.
Id say there is more than a smidgen of truth to the theories...I know a handful of people who have SUCCESSFULLY received 'religious exemptions' (and they work in hospitals, medical offices that treat patients).


If the theories were not true...there would be no reason to grant the religious exemptions.
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Old 12-17-2021, 09:16 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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But willful ignorance is something else.
You're absolutely correct there...You obviously are not familiar with the math of the S-I-R Model of Epidemics, the Laplacian Diffusion Equation as it applies to epidemics, nor any of the data relating infection, death & vaccination rates of this particular situation....and now that MotherNautre has followed her usual course in such matters, allowing for infectious pprocesses to mutate to more contagious but less virulent forms, the whole question of vaccinations has become moot.

You've fallen for the political lies of The Plandemic.
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Old 12-17-2021, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Maine
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You're absolutely correct there...You obviously are not familiar with the math of the S-I-R Model of Epidemics, the Laplacian Diffusion Equation as it applies to epidemics, nor any of the data relating infection, death & vaccination rates of this particular situation....and now that MotherNautre has followed her usual course in such matters, allowing for infectious pprocesses to mutate to more contagious but less virulent forms, the whole question of vaccinations has become moot.

You've fallen for the political lies of The Plandemic.
So you're reasoning is that we should just let nature take its course? Kill all the old people and weaklings, let the virus mutate, and pretty soon we'll all be immune! How did that work with polio? The measles? Scarlet fever?

No, I suppose you're right. It's all a Big Conspiracy. I thought I felt that tracking device slip in when I got my shot.

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Old 12-17-2021, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Puna, Hawaii
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Nobody got 3 polio or measles jabs and then got polio and measles.

Israel is on their 4th jab now.

UK is transitioning to it's third jab to have a health passport.
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Old 12-17-2021, 03:31 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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So you're reasoning is that we should just let nature take its course? Kill all the old people and weaklings, let the virus mutate, and pretty soon we'll all be immune! How did that work with polio? The measles? Scarlet fever?

No, I suppose you're right. It's all a Big Conspiracy. I thought I felt that tracking device slip in when I got my shot.
By May '20 I was advocating that. It looks like I was right. Nobody was going to die (statistically speaking) who wasn'r due to die anyway.

In evaluating medical treatments, we often calculate the Needed To Treat number (NTT)--- how many pts have to be treated to "save" (prevent) one case. For the CoV vax, it's 100,000 (!!!)-- an amazingly useless treatment...would the FDA give license to an new antibioitic that one improved the outcome in one in every 100,000 cases? That's laughable. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e1.htm

Check out the graphs in Figure 2-- less than 1 in 100,000 difference in hospitalizations between vaxxed vs un-vaxed...and that was from data only thru July '21. It was geting closer and closer as time went by (probably due to limited long term efficacy of the vax).
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Old 12-17-2021, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Edmonds, WA
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Can we please stop with the political discussion? I thought this thread was about whether the video predicted the current vaccine situation.
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Old 12-17-2021, 07:44 PM
 
Location: in your dreams
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Can we please stop with the political discussion? I thought this thread was about whether the video predicted the current vaccine situation.
The comment section on the youtube video itself is pretty interesting. Majority of people seem to think so. (We shall see...)


Covid came completely out of left field for me. I never could've guessed something like this would have happened in my lifetime. I thought it would've been something else, like WW3 or a staged alien invasion. I never heard any vaccine or plague conspiracy theories, it was all just tired movie plots and science fiction up until 2020 for me.

I don't even consider myself an anti-vaxxer. I've had all my shots.... except this one. Lucky me, I've got the patience to wait 75 years until they release the data, lol!
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