Electronic Voice Phenomena

[CALGUY]

Originally Posted by cjseliga

In the end, you either believe what Bob (CALGUY) says about EVP or you don't!

I think for some skeptics, until they experience something first hand, then they will remain a skeptic.

Raymond Moody is a well respected author of many books dealing with the occult.
It was one of his books that originally got me interested in evp.
His book, "life after death" explained why, and how evp came into being.
Once I got involved, Sarah Estep was the go person for the many questions I had, and she was a wealth of information.
I read somewhere soon after she passed, she made contact with her her daughter, and others who belong to the organization she started, dealing with evp.

I think the problem with most skeptics is, they seem not to want to open their minds, and delve into new experiences, therefore, they don't have any reason to believe.
There are dimensions yet to be explored, and some will get involved in those searches, while others just walk away and become oblivious to what they can't see, touch, and feel.
To them, if those physical senses are not apparent, they do not believe.

[CALGUY]

Originally Posted by Marcus_F

Well, too bad that the the recording is gone... If you had it it would be more than interesting to hear it in context of this debate. I could think of few "rational" explanations for what you heard. But without the recording for me it makes no sense debating this intetesting subjective experience and posting alternative explanations.

And I wonder why would a spirit feel something at all if they are pure consciousness or energy? It makes no sense to me.

I think energy takes on all sorts of traits, not just that expelled by the human existence.
For far to long I have seen people try and equate the human condition with that of spirit condition.
They are as different as day and night.

[ocpaul20]

Originally Posted by CALGUY

I think energy takes on all sorts of traits, not just that expelled by the human existence.
For far to long I have seen people try and equate the human condition with that of spirit condition.
They are as different as day and night.

Defining spirit here as the eternal you which cannot die and which lives forever.

You see, I dont think they are very different at all because I believe (and we are talking about beliefs, even if you claim you have been told it is true) that our spirit uses a physical body to experience a reality which is much denser than what it is used to. In that way it can learn stuff such as emotions and left-brain thinking, that it cannot experience where it came from. Life in other realities such as this one is ALL about experience for the spirit and Earthly life is very valuable because it provides a wealth of different circumstances and experiences to learn from. Rather like a university which offers many courses. This time you take one course and next (life) time you take another course.

[CALGUY]

Originally Posted by ocpaul20

Defining spirit here as the eternal you which cannot die and which lives forever.

You see, I dont think they are very different at all because I believe (and we are talking about beliefs, even if you claim you have been told it is true) that our spirit uses a physical body to experience a reality which is much denser than what it is used to. In that way it can learn stuff such as emotions and left-brain thinking, that it cannot experience where it came from. Life in other realities such as this one is ALL about experience for the spirit and Earthly life is very valuable because it provides a wealth of different circumstances and experiences to learn from. Rather like a university which offers many courses. This time you take one course and next (life) time you take another course.

And in fact may be an alien life on a different planet.