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Old 10-10-2016, 08:48 PM
 
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Since Life begins at conception, not at birth - one just does not know the exact time of it, unless you are a rare exception of coincedences or a child of IVF. Therefore all possible statistical empirical similarities should be shifted - and almost nobody knows where ( in time frame as the child is not born exctly after 270 days of gestation)
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Old 10-11-2016, 01:24 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Since Life begins at conception, not at birth - one just does not know the exact time of it, unless you are a rare exception of coincedences or a child of IVF. Therefore all possible statistical empirical similarities should be shifted - and almost nobody knows where ( in time frame as the child is not born exctly after 270 days of gestation)
Someone here needs to spend more time studying astrology, doing charts on those closest to you, like friends, relatives, yourself, and you'll see clearly that the actual birth and time of birth is spot on!

So, in another way, you're saying birthday parties should be held 270 days before one's actual birth?
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Old 10-11-2016, 03:45 AM
 
Location: between Mars and Venus
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There are some credits from my observations. The general traits and compatibilities are quite accurate, which I don't understand how it was studied, how did the 12 signs came about to represent them and all is indeed a mystery same as Chinese zodiac.
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Old 10-11-2016, 02:37 PM
 
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Someone here needs to spend more time studying astrology, doing charts on those closest to you, like friends, relatives, yourself, and you'll see clearly that the actual birth and time of birth is spot on!

Someone is past 'studying astrology ' and just have explained why this nonsense does not make ANY sense to someone - exactly because the absolute discrepancy with someones own charts, friends, relatives, etc, which actually led to the conclusion listed above
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Old 10-11-2016, 07:02 PM
 
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Big fat zero...I get astrology no merit at all.
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Old 10-11-2016, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Someone is past 'studying astrology ' and just have explained why this nonsense does not make ANY sense to someone - exactly because the absolute discrepancy with someones own charts, friends, relatives, etc, which actually led to the conclusion listed above
Well then, it appears like you're ready to be tested! Which kind? Multiple choice/True or False/Other?

Sample questions: What happens when you mix too much air & water in a chart? What happens when there's no Earth, Water, Air or Water in a chart? And what happens when there's too many Cardinal signs in a chart? Mars governs your sex drive, so what would sexually appeal to someone with their Mars in Taurus? Or Mars in the Air signs?
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Old 10-13-2016, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Under the Redwoods
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Since Life begins at conception, not at birth - one just does not know the exact time of it, unless you are a rare exception of coincedences or a child of IVF. Therefore all possible statistical empirical similarities should be shifted - and almost nobody knows where ( in time frame as the child is not born exctly after 270 days of gestation)
Who says that astrology (a chart) is or should be done from the moment of conception? Where does this come from?
I see this 'argument' occasionally. Here is the problem with that idea.
There is conception, where life begins for this kind of organism. However, that life is NOT self sustaining. It cannot survive without its host. Sure a fetus is operating like the human machine on a physical level, but it is still not functioning at 100%. There is still more development required. It is not fully 'human' yet.
The fetus is still a fetus and NOT yet a person until that organism can exist and function independently.
When that fetus is born and takes its first breath and it's cord is severed, then it is an being all on its own.
That is when a chart is made for a person, when they become a person....not before.
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Old 10-13-2016, 09:16 PM
 
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Well then, it appears like you're ready to be tested! Which kind? Multiple choice/True or False/Other?

Sample questions: What happens when you mix too much air & water in a chart? What happens when there's no Earth, Water, Air or Water in a chart? And what happens when there's too many Cardinal signs in a chart? Mars governs your sex drive, so what would sexually appeal to someone with their Mars in Taurus? Or Mars in the Air signs?
"Yawning"

You can exercise your teacher's drive for testimg on somebody else. I do not plan to sutisfy that need
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Old 10-13-2016, 09:20 PM
 
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Who says that astrology (a chart) is or should be done from the moment of conception? Where does this come from?
I see this 'argument' occasionally. Here is the problem with that idea.
There is conception, where life begins for this kind of organism. However, that life is NOT self sustaining. It cannot survive without its host. Sure a fetus is operating like the human machine on a physical level, but it is still not functioning at 100%. There is still more development required. It is not fully 'human' yet.
The fetus is still a fetus and NOT yet a person until that organism can exist and function independently.
When that fetus is born and takes its first breath and it's cord is severed, then it is an being all on its own.
That is when a chart is made for a person, when they become a person....not before.
Sorry, but this is BS

A newborn can not survive without outside help as well, which does not mean he does not have a soul. Some preemies can not survive without an artificial 'host' for many weeks - which does not make them souless.
A person becomes a person on the moment of stable implantation. All the word manipulations about 'person", 'fetus", ' blob of cells ' et cetera - is nonsence derived from mere desire to justify the convenience of termination of a human being or murder for just that- convinience.

Not such a long time ago the same ones which now deny personhood to the human in utero were denied personhood as well. There is a proverb that the worst villain usually forms from the previous victim.
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Old 10-13-2016, 10:04 PM
 
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There are some of us who practice astrology and others who don't believe.

In my opinion, each to his own and whatever works for you. Astrology works for me. If you don't care for it and you have no belief or interest, they why debate with someone who is a practitioner.

I have great respect for tijlover because I have read some good posts, and she has gone out of her way to answer questions for people who are seriously interested.

It seems to me that people should seek out interests that they wish to make their business, and ignore subjects that they don't.

The question was, How much validity do you give astrology...I give it a great deal of validity because I use it as a tool. Others think it is nonsense, and it is ok to say so but not to be disrespectful to those who do practice.

I don't like peanut butter and I think it should be banned from the grocery stores, but I realize that nobody died and made me God. I can say that I don't like it. I tasted it and it was yucky, so I know for myself what it tastes and smells like and I am allowed to express my opinion when asked, but I don't put down peanut butter eaters, especially those who are kind enough to share their peanut butter recipes with those who ask.
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