Are Scottish separatist politicians reviled in England? (news, interest)

[paull805]

Thats fuuny, not many Scots do lol.

[Mulhall]

Originally Posted by Hengist

The real danger from Scottish Nationalism is the emerging English Nationalism. We never used to wrap ourselves up in flags, but now the flag of St George is everywhere.

The English are tired of being blamed for all the problems north of the border. If they want to go it alone, let them. Just stop whingeing and get on with it.

I agree, it's a matter for the Scots, they will be the ones voting. I live South of the Border and don't have a vote, so it's pointless to even get involved in daft discussions.

The Scots can decide the issue for themselves.

As for the English, we will be in a strong economic position without the rest of the Union. The English are actually the largest investors in Scotland, and Scotlands most important trading partner (not Scandanavia), as well as making up the vast majority of Scottish tourism.

I have little doubt that in decades to come I will be buying some hydrogen or electric car, and that oil will become a fuel of the past, like other dirty fuels such as coal. Already we are seeing hydrogen buses and taxis, as well as electric recharging points on the streets and a new range of hydrogen/electric vehicles, whilst the technology in relation to alternative fuels is improving rapidly.

I do laugh at some of the SNP's remarks though - such as Royal Navy ships would still be built in Scottish Shipyards even after Independence, or that an Independent Scotland would have a seat on the Bank of England in London or that an Indpendent Scotland would have the Queen as Head of State (the SNP being a very Republican party).

The SNP really do enjoy the sound of their own patter - 'Scotland is apparently going to make up for the eventual loss of oil through alternative fuel sources, which the world will buy off them. Some how I doubt this. If we can harness wave power, they will eventually have wave farms in the middle of the Atlantic and across the oceans (and indeed wind power as well). Scotland is not somehow going to have a monopoly on alternative fuel sources. I also laugh when the SNP try to paint this close relationship with Scandanavia, whilst largely ignoring the nation that has the closest relationship with the Scots - 'The English'.

I have noticed a rise in recent times in the countless internet threads and daft comments made by nationalists posted at the bottom of every internet article, and I just wonder who they are arguing with, are these comments aimed at the English (who aren't getting a vote on the issue) or are the Scots merely having an argument with themselves.

As for Salmond he seems to enjoy trying to cause division wherever he can whilst stoking the fires of petty nationalism. I have to admit I have never minded the Scots, but in recent years I have started to notice a growing hatred and resentment on both sides of the border, and I find this all rather sad.

[dunno what to put here]

If Scotland were to become independent, England and Scotland would be each others most important and largest trading partners.. the two nations would still work closely, we share an island after all.

[Mulhall]

Originally Posted by dunno what to put here

If Scotland were to become independent, England and Scotland would be each others most important and largest trading partners.. the two nations would still work closely, we share an island after all.

We would still work closely together and trade, although our relationship would fundamentaly change.

There would be a defnite change when it came to areas such as formerly UK Government Institutions such as National Civil Service Departments as well as public and private investment. There may also be changes related to tourism, some trading and even working and living in each others countries.

[Hengist]

Originally Posted by paull805

We are!

No, you're not getting on with it.

Alex Salmond 'delays' referendum report until the autumn - Telegraph

What exactly is Salmond scared of?

If you want to go your own way, then good luck to you. But don't think all this procrastination is having no effect south of the border.

[albion]

As I said in a previous post Hengist, if the arguement for Scottish independence is so compelling, why would it take two years to persuade the Scots to actually vote for it?

[Jaggy001]

Originally Posted by albion

As I said in a previous post Hengist, if the arguement for Scottish independence is so compelling, why would it take two years to persuade the Scots to actually vote for it?

It is only compelling if you are an SNP supporter. Salmond's problem is that it is not all that compelling and he is a long way from securing a real majority in favour of independence. This is especially the case as the pro-union argument has not really been developed yet. If Salmond has difficulty getting a majority where there are few countervailing voices, imagine how hard it will be when the pro-union campaign really gets going.

[paull805]

Originally Posted by albion

As I said in a previous post Hengist, if the arguement for Scottish independence is so compelling, why would it take two years to persuade the Scots to actually vote for it?

A decision on wether to become an INDEPENDENT COUNTRY should be rushed through in a matter of months?! In 2 years we will either be an independent country or remain part of the union, I think 2 years is a decent timeline for us Scots to get our head round it and decide what we want.

[Jaggy001]

Originally Posted by paull805

A decision on wether to become an INDEPENDENT COUNTRY should be rushed through in a matter of months?! In 2 years we will either be an independent country or remain part of the union, I think 2 years is a decent timeline for us Scots to get our head round it and decide what we want.

If Salmond thought he had a majority for independence he would have rushed the referendum through ages ago. It is disingenuous to imagine that he is deliberately allowing time for reflection.

[ian6479]

Originally Posted by albion

As I said in a previous post Hengist, if the arguement for Scottish independence is so compelling, why would it take two years to persuade the Scots to actually vote for it?

Many arguments alone are compelling. The case against austerity during recession for example. When you introduce politics, beliefs and values and the fact that most people are grossly misinformed about a lot of issues it becomes very difficult. Plus, we are talking about massive change. Any change brings natural fear, resistance and a million questions/concerns.