The poor people of Scotland (cost, housing, station)

[Mouldy Old Schmo]

Originally Posted by irish_bob

i find it amusing the way you use the term infiltrated when describing irish migration to glasgow , you,d swear you were talking about a rat infestation , you are aware that they were simply moving to another part of their own country as all of ireland was part of the uk until 1921

I agree, although the ethnic Irish living in that Glasgow neighborhood may have a lower standard of living than those in Ireland. However, it would be wrong to say they should "go back to Ireland" because they have been living in Glasgow for many generations.

[irish_bob]

Originally Posted by Mouldy Old Schmo

I agree, although the ethnic Irish living in that Glasgow neighborhood may have a lower standard of living than those in Ireland. However, it would be wrong to say they should "go back to Ireland" because they have been living in Glasgow for many generations.

we,d take them back in exchange for the scots which were planted here by the thousands in the seventeenth century

[Jaggy001]

Originally Posted by Mouldy Old Schmo

I agree, although the ethnic Irish living in that Glasgow neighborhood may have a lower standard of living than those in Ireland. However, it would be wrong to say they should "go back to Ireland" because they have been living in Glasgow for many generations.

It was once the case that the Irish in Glasgow had a lower standard of living than Scots, but no longer and, indeed, anti-Irish and anti-catholic (Irish and catholic tended to go together) discrimination largely died out 50 years ago. No we have an opposite phenomenon where it has become fashionable in the West of Scotland to emphasise Irish ancestry.

Even so, I think that the standard of living was higher than in Ireland. I recall visiting Eire in the mid-1960s and seeing kids running around without shoes. That was an eye opener to me.

[irish_bob]

Originally Posted by Jaggy001

That was once the case but no longer and, indeed, anti-Irish and anti-catholic (Irish and catholic tended to go together) discrimination largely died out 50 years ago. No we have an opposite phenomenon where it has become fashionable in the West of Scotland to emphasise Irish ancestry.

you must be joking , sectarianism is still an issue in scotland today , perhaps not to the degree it used to be but by european standards , its a real and existing phenomenon

[Jaggy001]

Originally Posted by irish_bob

you must be joking , sectarianism is still an issue in scotland today , perhaps not to the degree it used to be but by european standards , its a real and existing phenomenon

I said discrimination, not sectarianism. The two are different.

You would be hard put to find concrete examples of discrimination.

There is also plenty of evidence that sectarianism is dying out.

[irish_bob]

Originally Posted by Jaggy001

I said discrimination, not sectarianism. The two are different.

You would be hard put to find concrete examples of discrimination.

There is also plenty of evidence that sectarianism is dying out.

are you trying to tell me that sectarianism is not a form of discrimination ?

[Jaggy001]

Originally Posted by irish_bob

are you trying to tell me that sectarianism is not a form of discrimination ?

There is no evidence that catholics or those of Irish ancestry suffer discrimination in terms of educational, professional, economic or social opportunities.

[irish_bob]

Originally Posted by Jaggy001

There is no evidence that catholics or those of Irish ancestry suffer discrimination in terms of educational, professional, economic or social opportunities.

im afraid their is and we see examples of sectarianism where football managers fear exploding mail or being attacked while watching from the sidelines

[Jaggy001]

Originally Posted by irish_bob

im afraid their is and we see examples of sectarianism where football managers fear exploding mail or being attacked while watching from the sidelines

Is that the best you can offer? One example (and I would dispute that it is about him being Irish). I can give plenty of much better examples of the opposite being the case.

[Mouldy Old Schmo]

Originally Posted by Jaggy001

I recall visiting Eire in the mid-1960s and seeing kids running around without shoes. That was an eye opener to me.

Ireland has changed a lot in the last 50 years.