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Old 08-29-2012, 02:43 AM
 
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I remember hearing about protests last year at Tesco's supermarket and its workfare schemes.

Many other companies as well, although it seemed as if this idea was not quite working out.

what is the story these days?

and in general, do people in UK agree or disagree with this idea?
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Old 08-29-2012, 08:58 AM
 
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It's just another corporate scam to feed big business donors. Some people have a lingering suspicion that G4 were planning to use Workfare staff to fulfil their Olympics 2012 contract as it was somewhat of a coincedence that the Workfare scandal that erupted in the UK press seemed to reverberate around the media around precisely the same time that G4 said that they were going to be unable to fulfil their contractual obligations.

Again, the G4 walked off with a fat profit regardless and the army and the taxpayer again had to pick up the tab for provate sector profligacy. Makes one wonder. if the 'self-regulating' and free enterising market is so much more frugal and efficient why do they so often tend to rely on state subsidies and free labour to fulfil their legal obligations?

All I know is if I did what G4 did to the taxpayer to the banks I wouldn't be walking off with a fat roll and millions of pounds of taxpayer funded profit that's for sure.

Yeah Workfare happened and it reeks. What made you think it didn't. The Tories are in power, not the Care Bears.
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:51 AM
 
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Is this different to the latest idea of making people work full-time for 3 months without pay?
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Old 08-29-2012, 06:33 PM
 
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as far as I know, it's the same thing - you work full time for your benefit money - approx: $100 wk for over 25's but considerably less if younger.

sounds like a scam to me.

when I was last in UK, Tescos were getting rid of staff and replacing them with free workfare labor.

how can that be acceptable?
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Old 08-30-2012, 02:24 AM
 
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I think it's perfectly acceptable.

If you get money from the state, then you should do something to earn it.

I don't care if it's sweeping the streets, helping children cross the road, working in a shop.

Councils across the land are closing down public toilets, sports events etc, because there's not enough budget available to pay a wage to staff these.
They're neglecting gardens, cutting down on grounds maintenance.

There's the answer, get some of the unemployed to do it.

I'm not sure the big companies like Tesco etc really need the help of cheap or free labour, I think if the unemployed have to work, they would be better employed in a community serving role, the big companies could equally create jobs to reduce unemployment, but small companies, charities etc won't find that so easy.
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Old 08-30-2012, 02:49 AM
 
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I think you have touched on one of the key points here , and that is 'free labor for the large companies'

so this labor is not helping the community as such, but only increasing the profit margins of places like Tescos, whilst at the same time taking jobs away from regular workers.

this is the problem.

how do you feel about that?
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Old 08-30-2012, 06:19 AM
 
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how do you feel about that?
In an ideal world, it wouldn't be allowed to happen.

However, we don't live in an ideal world, and such is the nature of business. They look to maximise profit, and minimise cost. For Tesco, one of their biggest expenses is staffing. If you reduce that, you increase profits.

Yes, the unemployed could be put to much better use than increasing profits for such companies, but that would require a degree of common sense from our politicians to decide that.

Which we all know they don't have.

I still support the idea of a workfare scheme, but I'd have personally done it diferently.
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Old 08-30-2012, 08:51 PM
 
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I agree there.

so are the protests still going on in the UK?
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Old 08-31-2012, 01:17 AM
 
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There aren't really protests as such.
Just a huge outbreak of moaning, shaking of heads and "tutting".

A couple of people tried to take the government to court, saying the scheme was slavery, and against their human rights, but sanity prevailed and their cases were dismissed

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I agree there.

so are the protests still going on in the UK?
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Old 08-31-2012, 01:55 AM
 
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slavery is taking it a bit far, but it does seem to be a form of exploitation IMO
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