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Old 02-18-2015, 06:41 AM
 
Location: London, NYC & LA
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They're premises and conclusions, not questions and answers. The propositions are implicit not explicit, so they do represent your reasoning, pretty much.

Again, I've not really committed to any personal view on UKIP or their economic or immigration policies. You can rail against them all you like. It's neither here nor there for me.
I think your weak response sums up why no one in their right mind should support UKIP..

 
Old 02-18-2015, 07:06 AM
 
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I think your weak response sums up why no one in their right mind should support UKIP..
This doesn't even begin to make sense.

I claim that I don't have any personal views on UKIP, therefore you think that this is a reason that UKIP are wrong?

Maybe you are a parodist after all. If that's the case, very good.
 
Old 02-18-2015, 07:19 AM
 
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This doesn't even begin to make sense.

I claim that I don't have any personal views on UKIP, therefore you think that this is a reason that UKIP are wrong?

Maybe you are a parodist after all. If that's the case, very good.
One moment you were defending UKIP's stance on controls on immigration

The next minute you couldn't be bothered about UKIP what will it be??


How about this, you're a Kipper who couldn't defend his party's populist policies when they are subject to scrutiny and then bottled it claiming you doesn't care about UKIP...

I genuinely don't vote (haven't voted in 15 years) and I rarely read newspapers. But I will respond to viewpoints that I consider ill thought out.

Keep raising silly viewpoints and I will happily keeping knocking them down...

Or better yet how about some more hollow sarcasm..
 
Old 02-18-2015, 07:19 AM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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if Labour, the Tories and Lib Dems are all FOR the EU and open borders just where is "the opposition", we need someone like UKIP to redress the balance.
 
Old 02-18-2015, 07:20 AM
 
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One moment you were defending UKIP's stance on controls on immigration

The next minute you couldn't be bothered about UKIP what will it be??


How about this, you're a Kipper who couldn't defend his party's populist policies when they are subject to scrutiny and then bottled it claiming you doesn't care about UKIP...

I genuinely don't vote (haven't voted in 15 years) and I rarely read newspapers. But I will respond to viewpoints that I consider ill thought out.

Keep raising silly viewpoints and I will happily keeping knocking them down...

Or better yet how about some more hollow sarcasm..
Where did he defend UKIP? He's said clearly from the beginning that his views are his own and not related to any political group.
 
Old 02-18-2015, 07:35 AM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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anybody who hasn't voted in 15 years and dosent read a newspaper dosent have much idea about politics.
 
Old 02-18-2015, 07:41 AM
 
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Latest Farage, reiterating the truism of a doomed EU.
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This is exactly why I warned against approaching immigration with a black and white mindset: The fallacious idea that having any kind of border control in place equates to "intolerance" and bigotry, or that it somehow equates to closing the borders to foreigners altogether.
First sentence about the demise of the EU - UKIP rhetoric check

Second sentence about more controls on immigration - UKIP policy/rhetoric check

So he thinks Farage is right on the demise of the EU, which is pretty unlikely in my book. While at the same time his views align with UKIPs policies on more controls on immigration hmmm...

Also at the same time he is all over a UKIP thread.. You do the math..
 
Old 02-18-2015, 07:41 AM
 
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First sentence about the demise of the EU - UKIP rhetoric check

Second sentence about more controls on immigration - UKIP policy/rhetoric check

So he thinks Farage is right on the demise of the EU, which is pretty unlikely in my book. While at the same time his views align with UKIPs policies on more controls on immigration hmmm...

Also at the same time he is all over a UKIP thread.. You do the math..

1. "You have views on immigration that are different to the status quo."
2. "UKIP have views on immigration that are different to the status quo."
3. "Therefore you are UKIP."

Somewhere, your reasoning has gone horribly wrong.
 
Old 02-18-2015, 07:44 AM
 
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1. "You have views on immigration that are different to the status quo."
2. "UKIP have views on immigration that are different to the status quo."
3. "Therefore you are UKIP."

Somewhere, your reasoning has gone horribly wrong.
More Sarcasm, Quelle Surprise..
 
Old 02-18-2015, 07:48 AM
 
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Not everyone falls into simple little boxes that you can categorize and label.

You don't need to be a member of U.K.I.P. to see that there are problems with the European Union or that there are problems that follow on from poorly controlled immigration.

Likewise having views that coincide with other people doesn't mean that you are automatically part of their clique or membership and that you agree with everything else they say.

I'm surprised anyone would struggle with this idea as much.

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First sentence about the demise of the EU - UKIP rhetoric check

Second sentence about more controls on immigration - UKIP policy/rhetoric check

So he thinks Farage is right on the demise of the EU, which is pretty unlikely in my book. While at the same time his views align with UKIPs policies on more controls on immigration hmmm...

Also at the same time he is all over a UKIP thread.. You do the math..
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