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Old 12-19-2015, 09:39 AM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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i'm against it on environmental grounds.
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Old 12-19-2015, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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i'm against it on environmental grounds.
What are some other viable means of energy? What sources of energy to you propose to meet the demands of the world?

Any industry is going to have to conform to safety and environmental standards. The oil and gas industry is one of the most regulated industries in the entire world.

By the way, 99.5 percent of the fluid injected into the ground in fracking is a mixture of water and sand. Out of the other .5 percent, many of those chemicals are biodegradable. The others are addressed with many very intensive and controlled regulations. Oil and gas wells and operations are inspected -and SHOULD BE inspected - very regularly by various agencies.

I'm not saying that the very occasional accident or misstep doesn't happen - getting anything from deep inside the earth is going to involve some risk. But until we have more viable and productive means of energy, we need to work with what we've got.
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Old 12-19-2015, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Southeast Michigan
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There are claims that the electric vehicles are actually bigger polluters than the modern gasoline vehicles when you take into consideration all of the pollutants it takes to produce then dispose of the batteries (full of toxic agents) and the electricity to power them.

The whole environmental debate is unfortunately extremely politicized and full of lies on both sides.
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Old 12-19-2015, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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What is the most common and available source for energy worldwide?

Oil and gas make up 53 percent of the primary energy sources worldwide. Coal makes up another 29 percent. Biofuels and waste make up another 10 percent, leaving only 8 percent of the energy sources worldwide being water, wind, solar and others.

Until we can increase the energy produced by other sources, we're stuck with oil, gas and coal, so rather than cutting our own noses off to spite our faces, we ought to focus on three things: 1) continuing to improve the safety and ecological protections as we excavate and use our natural resources of oil, gas, and coal. 2) Continuing to research and refine other sources of energy. 3) Finding the balance between good stewardship of our planet and economic growth and stability.
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Old 12-19-2015, 02:00 PM
 
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The fact that it contaminates water sources is a serious enough issue , I would not want it done in my area.
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Scares me.
Would I want to live near a fracking area? No. There is cause for concern since history has proven
that companies/corporations do not always do the right thing.
If done incorrectly, it does have some serious consequences;

Fracking | Ohio Environmental Council


What's the truth about fracking? | Environment | The Guardian
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Old 12-19-2015, 02:41 PM
 
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Fracking? A technique to extract oil from the ground using pressurized fluids. It works, but it's expensive and can't possibly be good for the environment. But the big oil companies get away with it because they have good lobbyists.

Fortunately for the environment, the Saudis are currently pumping as much oil as possible to pay their bills. One of the benefits of all the cheap oil they're pumping is that the people doing all the fracking in the USA can no longer operate profitably. With any luck, they'll all pack up and go home.
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Old 12-19-2015, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Well, coal is the other largest source of energy - and it's hardly what anyone would call a "clean energy source."

I've lived near fracking areas most of my life. No issues whatsoever. I mean NONE. It's been going on in this area for decades now.

It's an industry that needs tight controls in place and lots of oversight due mostly to the scope of the operations. Like any industry, there are going to be a few mistakes and accidents and those are always unfortunate. Good restrictions, legislation, and oversight are all absolutely necessary.
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Old 12-19-2015, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Fracking? A technique to extract oil from the ground using pressurized fluids. It works, but it's expensive and can't possibly be good for the environment. But the big oil companies get away with it because they have good lobbyists.

Fortunately for the environment, the Saudis are currently pumping as much oil as possible to pay their bills. One of the benefits of all the cheap oil they're pumping is that the people doing all the fracking in the USA can no longer operate profitably. With any luck, they'll all pack up and go home.
So what's your alternative source of energy? One that is plentiful and works well worldwide?
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Old 12-19-2015, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Pérouges
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One might assume that those countries and states that have banned or heavily restricted Fracking had some cause to do so.

Summary of countries that have taken action against fracking May 2015 - Protect Limestone CoastProtect Limestone Coast
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UK and Poland are the only European countries to have expressed whole-hearted political enthusiasm for fracking, with even Poland now having second thoughts after three exploration companies withdrew following poor results.[/u]

In the US there is a growing list of towns, cities, regions and states all taking some form of action. The state of Michigan is due to vote on imposing a moratorium in the not too distant future. Even in fracking heartland, Texas, the city of Denton recently banned fracking from occurring within the city limits. Only in the last few weeks, the New York state governor has declared fracking will be banned in that state following a six-year moratorium.

A ban of telling significance has been introduced by the Delaware River Basin Commission. The river basin covers 32 000 square kilometres in the states of New York, New Jersey, Delaware and Pennsylvania – 36% of it overlying the Marcellus Shale – with the river system providing drinking water for 15.6 million people – 5% of the US population.

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Old 12-19-2015, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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The city of Denton is basically Dallas. I don't believe that fracking operations need to be done right in the center of ANY town - too disruptive.
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