EU - Better off in or out? (college, authority)

[Star10101]

Originally Posted by English Dave

They will make sure they don't get the same result Star. They will make sure they mobilize all the voters who didn't turn out, including foreigners living in our country, who have a vote. They will ensure even more votes are handed to people who will vote their way. They will spend even more time intimidating out voters with fear tactics.

"Did you not see what happened after the out vote? If you do it again, pensions may have to be cut, and benefits. The pound will fall even heavier........ etc etc." They will make sure they win Star, believe me.

This vote was our last chance to save the country, and shockingly to them, we won. Have you noticed today there is no sign of Boris Johnson or Michael Gove? They should be offering leadership in a political vacuum, and they're nowhere to be seen. They didn't want to win Star, they just wanted to hurt David Cameron, for their own political ambitions. All they care about is themselves, and their political future.

By the way, congratulations on the football win!!

If it ever happens, then I would hope that the Leave campaign would also target the non-voters from this time. They would have to explain that every single vote counts, and that Remain are trying to over turn the results.

We were all told before the Referendum, that the economy would become very unstable afterwards. So I don't know why people are surprised by this. It will become stable again eventually, even if it takes years. Of course, this is now being used by Remain as 'proof' of what happens if we come out of the EU!

I think you are right - no-one expected for Leave to actually win! It's time for Boris to step up to the plate!

It's amazing that Wales are in the quarter finals!! I didn't even think they played that well yesterday either! England's turn tomorrow...

[KathrynAragon]

Originally Posted by in_newengland

Back to bashing Obama?
You didn't read his book, obviously.


Having been abandoned by his father, a man he never knew, he did the normal thing--went looking for and asking about the man. His search for meaning and understanding --that's the book. Nice try, though.

Besides that, a book about his strange mother Stanley might not have been nearly as riveting. And harder to come up with a catchy title. Let's see...

"A Girl Named Stanley" - nahhhh.

"My Mother Was a Communist" - hmmm, maybe not.

"Politics Made For Some Very Strange Bedfellows For My Mother" - yeah, more like it!

Just kidding. Sort of.

I did read his book about his father, by the way. The guy was extremely strange. So was Obama's mother - and his upbringing was chock full of the oddest people and events. No wonder he's a bit of an odd duck himself.

[KathrynAragon]

Originally Posted by my54ford

Seems that for some of you this is apropos..........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Crispin%27s_Day_Speech

What's he that wishes so?
My cousin, Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin;
If we are mark'd to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
Such outward things dwell not in my desires.
But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive.
No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England.
God's peace! I would not lose so great an honour
As one man more methinks would share from me
For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is call'd the feast of Crispian.
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam'd,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say "To-morrow is Saint Crispian."
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say "These wounds I had on Crispin's day."
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did that day. Then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words—
Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester—
Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

Best. Speech. Ever. Love this scene:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-yZNMWFqvM

[Steve Bagu]

I as a former Canuck far removed look at things in the form as a businessman.

I (England) need to purchase items from a country in the EU (choice from 27) instead of having to deal with the Head Office in some country. Whoever has what I need and at the right price etc will get my business........fair enough?

What we have is to be compared like a ice cream cone with only three flavors available, Chocolate, Vanilla or Strawberry.

With the EU there are (were) 28 flavors in all......way too complicated in choice as it turns out. (future Star Trek Federation)

Hope my thinking rings a bell re what I'm trying to say.

[pigeonhole]

The EU could have stood a chance if had become truly unified and suppressed the national states. A mere Utopia, not feasible without coercing all 28 nations into one.
But right now each EU country is governed by a set of rules that is different from his neighbour. More often thant not non Eu countries are closer to Eu countries than Eu countries between them. For instance the ties are much closer between Sweden and its neighbour Norway than between Sweden and Greece or even the Czech Republic.
And to top it all, there are numerousnon -Eu enclaves dubbed "fiscal paradises" located geographically Inside the EU : the Channel islands, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Andorra, damn! even the Vatican! and then you have the EU territories OUTSIDE the European continent like the French Caribbean. It seems to me that the people who created that "monster" had a total disregard for logic.

[Tim Randal Walker]

Came across a description of the Canadian option.

While Canada may not be entangled in Brussels political tentacles, the agreement took years of negotiation.

And in one respect Canada was negotiating from a position of strength-Canada has access to the large U.S. market.

[Prickly Pear]

I heard racism was on the rise after and because of Brexit, telling Polish that they need to "get the f*ck out". Is that true?

[Londoncowboy30]

Originally Posted by :-D

I heard racism was on the rise after and because of Brexit, telling Polish that they need to "get the f*ck out". Is that true?

There will be the odd incident like that mate but the strength of it I'm not so convinced

Years ago when they all came over there was a lot of it for the obvious reason. That's wrong IMO and the polish especially im quite keen on myself ..... Great humour, work rate and the women are gorgeous!!! .... I mean what's not to like?

Again it's just the numbers that's the problem. You'll get a few nutters that go about threatening people but it only hurts our image in the long run....

Completely off topic but the worst I've seen was straight after 9/11 and you could see it in the streets Muslims were scared to walk down the street and so on.... Now that was with reason as I saw a few incidents myself but again threatening men in front of their wife and kids is not my game so I look down at people like that

[Tim Randal Walker]

I have been looking at web sites about international negotiations.

It seems that every nation develops its own style of negotiation. In fact, one gets the impression that your team should include an anthropologist as an advisor. Misunderstandings seem probable.

On the other hand, it was commented that the British and Americans have very similar styles. So there is hope.

[English Dave]

I just heard on BBC news that only 33% of 18 -24 year old voters turned out for the referendum. Now, they can't stop complaining. They are stamping their little feet. IT'S NOT FAIR.........