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To me it seems completely natural and democratic to vote again now that the British people know what is at stake, and what kind of deal the EU is willing to offer the UK.
Democrats always are for a new vote when they lose .Well here in the USA anyway
Yes, the EU has been very open about what kind of deal it was prepared to offer, but I got the impression that a lot of British were counting on a favourable deal: "The UK market is too big", "The Germans can't afford a hard Brexit". Now you know exactly what you get without a doubt.
The situation is still the same. German manufacture sell us an awful lot of stuff. The French sell us a lot of stuff. Our money helps prop up the EU. Eastern Europe get new roads, partly funded by our money. Our roads are full of holes.
This is a game of poker. The EU is staring us in the eye, with a fixed expression. We now need to ensure they understand we are prepared to walk away without a deal. They must believe we mean it. That's the only way to get their attention.
If we are forced to walk, the EU won't get the £38 billion they need for all their hand outs. This will cause us all great damage. But, they are pushing us in this direction. There is only so much ground we can give.
I am sick of hearing about the Irish backstop. The paperwork is full of it. How about the 54 million people who live in England, compared to the less than 2 million in Northern Ireland? I am sick of hearing about the Irish, and the Scots. How about the English? We need to walk away, unless the EU start to take our concerns seriously. If they had given some ground on free movement, the vote would have gone to remain. This is the EU's fault not ours.
Listen, her deal will not get through, she will survive but there will be a Brexit , as was voted for March 29th. IMO Barnier has screwed the German car industry and French food/wine.
She will remain in office, there is no support for anyone replacing her and there isn't anyone who could of achieved a better deal.
The country remains split down the middle on Brexit with parliament also split but with a larger portion still wanting to remain.
The deal on offer will be rejected and rightly so.
Given no majority can possibly be achieved in parliament the only option is a people’s vote on the choices, walk away with no deal, accept the deal on offer or to carry on like nothing has changed.
If you look at the facts, the outcomes been staring us all in the face for a very long time.
Well I still hope for Brexit and i think all the would be know-it-alls who supported staying in try to act in a democracy mode rather than being so high and mighty. Wanting another referendum is a nonsense simply because they lost the vote and it was "so narrow." Following that mindset what if there was such a repeat and they won by a handful the the Brexiteers would want another vote and so it would go on and on. I have always argued the points on what the Germans would lose as would others so it is a problem for them over the Channel.
In parliament there will be skirmishes but we getting out means no more stuck with an EU that cannot even get it's books to balance (if you were a private company you would get done in) a world out there we can trade with rather than stuck in the Euro mess and control freaks pretending to be democratic. Oh and we will save money!
To me it seems completely natural and democratic to vote again now that the British people know what is at stake, and what kind of deal the EU is willing to offer the UK.
You presume that the British people did not know what was at stake at the time of the original vote. Do you have any evidence that supports this presumption, or is it merely speculation that the UK population is so ill-informed it did not know what it's vote was for.
The vote was pretty binary, stay in the EU which is simple, or, leave the EU, which is equally simple. Stay means stay, leave means leave. If you leave your spouse you don't think that you're going to get to sleep in the spare room, why would leavers think that leave meant on condition of a trade agreement and visa free travel to Europe?
If they were reasonable people, the pro-Brexit faction would now be shocked into facing reality. But they are not. These are the same politicians who tricked voters out of Europe by promising them that leaving would be all gain and no pain
You presume that the British people did not know what was at stake at the time of the original vote. Do you have any evidence that supports this presumption, or is it merely speculation that the UK population is so ill-informed it did not know what it's vote was for.
The vote was pretty binary, stay in the EU which is simple, or, leave the EU, which is equally simple. Stay means stay, leave means leave. If you leave your spouse you don't think that you're going to get to sleep in the spare room, why would leavers think that leave meant on condition of a trade agreement and visa free travel to Europe?
The British people voted for many different reasons, the question asked was very simple in deed, implementation of leave is anything but.
I was watching the news the other day and some guy used the anology that Brexit was like a couple deciding to buy a house because they really liked the house and thought it would make a perfect home for them and were really keen to place their deposit.
The couple then had a survey of this dream house before finalising the sale and the report came back saying the lovely house they want to buy had a leaking roof, subsidence and needed rewiring and re plumbing throughout, the couple wisely didn’t proceed.
If they were reasonable people, the pro-Brexit faction would now be shocked into facing reality. But they are not. These are the same politicians who tricked voters out of Europe by promising them that leaving would be all gain and no pain. Britain would become proud, sovereign, powerful, more prosperous. It could slash immigration, enrich its health service, cut magnificent and profitable trade deals with the rest of the world, opt out of European Union laws and still trade with and travel freely in Europe.
It was always rubbish, marketed by people deliberately indifferent to facts. The European Union was never going to let us leave the club while retaining all the advantages of belonging, any more than a tennis club allows ex-members to use the facilities for free. It said so, patiently, repeatedly. The agonizing negotiations of the past 18 months proved that over and over.
Yes, the prime minister’s deal is pitiful, an awkward compromise that will hobble Britain’s economy and diminish our power. But the truth is — and everyone knows this — there is no better, purer Brexit available without a permanent economic hit.
Thank you for posting that, its an excellent article which is well written and very accurate
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