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Funny how the Brits/English dismiss the Scottish urge for independence, despite the Scots using many of the same arguments that were used in favor of Brexit. Hypocritical much?
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Funny how the Brits/English dismiss the Scottish urge for independence, despite the Scots using many of the same arguments that were used in favor of Brexit. Hypocritical much?
We haven't dismissed it, they had a vote in 2014 on the issue and recent polls suggest most Scots don't want another divisive referendum.
It's up to the Scots, if they want to go back to the days when we have an English Army on this side of the border instead of a British Army and have hard border controls, seperate currencies and trade under WTO Rules and Tariffs then that's up to the Scots. As many here have already pointed out in this thread the Scots do well out of the Union, and people are becoming sick and tired of this Anti-English agenda.
I totally agree Dave. The way the SNP ran the last independence referendum divided families and encouraged distrust of the English.
Scotland joined the union of their own volition. Scotland was bankrupt and they wanted the English to bail them out, joining the union was part of the deal. It was Scotland's choice.
But you are right Dave, the English are getting really sick and tired of the politics of grievance coming from the Scottish government.
Funny how the Brits/English dismiss the Scottish urge for independence, despite the Scots using many of the same arguments that were used in favor of Brexit. Hypocritical much?
They want independence so they can be ordered about by the EU? What sort of independence is that? They think we'll allow an independent Scotland be a gateway into England by other EU members? They think roads from Scotland will be open as they are now? There will be a hard border if they leave the Union.
Maybe, a big wall.............. We could take holidays up at the border, and throw bread down from the ramparts of the wall to hungry Scots.
We would watch videos showing destitute Scots sat at roadsides looking for help, clothes ragged. Appeals from stars asking us to help those poor folks. We are a compassionate people here in England, and would certainly send food and clothing........
The videos on the news would be heartbreaking. "We didnae mean it. We didnae vote for independence. The ballot was fixed by Nicola. She fled years ago. Please let us back in the Union." .......
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They want independence so they can be ordered about by the EU? What sort of independence is that? They think we'll allow an independent Scotland be a gateway into England by other EU members? They think roads from Scotland will be open as they are now? There will be a hard border if they leave the Union.
Maybe, a big wall.............. We could take holidays up at the border, and throw bread down from the ramparts of the wall to hungry Scots.
We would watch videos showing destitute Scots sat at roadsides looking for help, clothes ragged. Appeals from stars asking us to help those poor folks. We are a compassionate people here in England, and would certainly send food and clothing........
The videos on the news would be heartbreaking. "We didnae mean it. We didnae vote for independence. The ballot was fixed by Nicola. She fled years ago. Please let us back in the Union." .......
One thing I would suggest is that we halt the £2 Billion to be spent on the naval base in Clydeside, as well as the £400 million upgrade at Lossiemouth and indeed the new state of the art Army Garrison at Leuchars.
The Scots have also just assembled two vast aircraft carriers and the shipyards on the Clyde are due to work on Type 26 and Type 31 Frigates once they have completed the current Royal Navy Offshore Patrol Vessels.
We need to review all of this if they plan another vote.
Another vote will also cause further uncertainty at a time when we already have enough uncertainty due to Brexit.
Personally I think Sturgeon is out for her own gain rather than that of the Scottish people who could well suffer as a result of all this, being out of the European Union is one thing, being out of a Union with a country you share a small island with and do most of your trade with is quite another.
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One thing I would suggest is that we halt the £2 Billion to be spent on the naval base in Clydeside, as well as the £400 million upgrade at Lossiemouth and indeed the new state of the art Army Garrison at Leuchars.
The Scots have also just assembled two vast aircraft carriers and the shipyards on the Clyde are due to work on Type 26 and Type 31 Frigates once they have completed the current Royal Navy Offshore Patrol Vessels.
We need to review all of this if they plan another vote.
Another vote will also cause further uncertainty at a time when we already have enough uncertainty due to Brexit.
Personally I think Sturgeon is out for her own gain rather than that of the Scottish people who could well suffer as a result of all this, being out of the European Union is one thing, being out of a Union with a country you share a small island with and do most of your trade with is quite another.
There will be some work for a few Scots making badges saying 'We Love The English.' But, that wouldn't employ many.........
They will have exports of whiskey and kilts of course. Tourism....... good luck supporting five million people on that. No more free university tuition subsidized by the English.
Time Nicola got brought down a peg or two. She is getting too big for her high heels.
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There will be some work for a few Scots making badges saying 'We Love The English.' But, that wouldn't employ many.........
They will have exports of whiskey and kilts of course. Tourism....... good luck supporting five million people on that. No more free university tuition subsidized by the English.
Time Nicola got brought down a peg or two. She is getting too big for her high heels.
It's a sad state of affairs, and it seems the SNP have been looking for any excuse to hold another referendum.
Sadly another referendum is just going to cause more economic uncertainty and do little to help secure economic prosperity or jobs and just risks causing more division.
Sadly another referendum is just going to cause more economic uncertainty and do little to help secure economic prosperity or jobs and just risks causing more division.
Nicola doesn't care........ all that obsesses her is the idea of Scottish independence at any price. She is as bad as the idiot Alex Salmond , who while he was leader, whenever asked about what currency independent Scotland would use, kept stammering, stuttering, and muttering, "well, the pound." He was told in no uncertain terms by the UK Chancellor, "no you won't."
Anyone studying the real economic facts knows Scotland isn't financially viable without the support of England. Thousands of jobs would melt away, and go to England. It is obvious that we need to stick together as the UK, against what we're going to face in negotiations in leaving the EU. Nobody needs a distraction like this. It will cause division once again within Scotland, and do no one any good. The vote will again be for remain, but leave a bad taste. The English patience with Scotland is being sorely tested.
Funny how the Brits/English dismiss the Scottish urge for independence, despite the Scots using many of the same arguments that were used in favor of Brexit. Hypocritical much?
It's no less hypocritical than the Scots mocking Brexit voters for ignoring economic experts, when that's precisely what Scottish independence supporters have been doing for years.
It's all to do with sticking the finger up to the English, nothing to do with Economic prosperity.
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