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View Poll Results: Will the UK disintegrate?
Yes 158 33.47%
No 314 66.53%
Voters: 472. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-20-2019, 04:54 AM
 
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Yeah, I know I can get stroppy, and can go into attack mode. But, at the bottom of me, I want my country to get a grip on the many social problems we have.

I just feel we can't do so with this continuous mass migration. We need to build homes for our young people, not Europe's, and also not the world. Mass immigration isn't just coming from Europe.

The EU have just dismissed us, and our concerns. They don't give a damn. The only way forward I feel, is outside the EU.

I do understand Ireland's worries. The EU has been of great benefit to you, and an open border between you and northern Ireland is of paramount concern.
The foundation of Irelands prosperity since circa 1995 has been that of the American Multinationals using us as a base from which to do business with the EU, loose that and we are just a small country on the edge of Europe with beef, milk and tourism
Small country like Ireland must be an open economy and must not put up borders, that's before you consider the delicacies of the Northern Ireland border, the DUP would gleefully erect a fifty foot high four foot thick wall along the border if they could, they are not concerned about the economic setbacks of brexit, a people who want very little, they only want to be British.they are fantasists who think the 45% plus Irish population of Northern Ireland will tolerate a barrier with the South, unionists have no monopoly on the constitutional future of Northern Ireland and fear demographics as well as mainland British apathy, that's why they are so gung ho about brexit, its reactionary instinct, in reality brexit has brought the question of irish unity forward where as before, it was more or less indefinitely postponed
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Old 01-20-2019, 04:59 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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The foundation of Irelands prosperity since circa 1995 has been that of the American Multinationals using us as a base from which to do business with the EU

Small country like Ireland must be an open economy and must not put up borders, that's before you consider the delicacies of the Northern Ireland border, the DUP would gleefully erect a fifty foot high four foot thick wall along the border if they could, they are concerned about the economic setbacks of brexit, a people who want very little, they only want to be British.
Low Corp taxes is the foundation, being in the EU is just another Net benefit. Dubai has seen massive international investment too, for the same reasons, and no benefit of free access to Europe.

Make no mistake, the moment Ireland is forced to increase its corporate taxation, the birds will flee the coop.

Further you have put up borders, massive borders, with everyone not in the EU, still a border, and you have zero control over it.
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Old 01-20-2019, 05:03 AM
 
Location: England
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Behind the Claymores, just in case.
......... and then a minefield.
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Old 01-20-2019, 06:26 AM
 
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Low Corp taxes is the foundation, being in the EU is just another Net benefit. Dubai has seen massive international investment too, for the same reasons, and no benefit of free access to Europe.

Make no mistake, the moment Ireland is forced to increase its corporate taxation, the birds will flee the coop.

Further you have put up borders, massive borders, with everyone not in the EU, still a border, and you have zero control over it.
You don't know that, other countries like Estonia already have much lower corporation taxes than we do

The launch pad to the huge EU market is the big draw, upping sticks isn't as easy as many believe, otherwise everything would be based in tallinn today
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Old 01-20-2019, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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You don't know that, other countries like Estonia already have much lower corporation taxes than we do

The launch pad to the huge EU market is the big draw, upping sticks isn't as easy as many believe, otherwise everything would be based in tallinn today
Estonia is also in the EU, so that's a red herring if ever there was one. Its corp rate is 21.5%, Ireland is 12.5%.


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Old 01-20-2019, 07:49 PM
 
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Old 01-21-2019, 06:25 AM
 
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Breaking story that a Prominent Polish politician breaks ranks and makes proposal which alters backstop plan

As I've said from the start, Small countries will always in the end get thrown under the bus, in this case either by the UK or the EU, the Polish politician in all liklihood had the covert support of the Brussels top brass.

Small counties loose more in these kind of stalemate crisis but the notion they should simply roll over from the start is deeply condescending, in this regard, the UK is just as contemptuous of democracy as the EU.

We will probably have to eat a turd sandwich in the end but we don't have to like it.
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Old 01-21-2019, 06:39 AM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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all we leavers have to do is hold our nerve and just hope we leave the EU in 2 months time with a NO DEAL, anything else is not democracy and will see us not in EU but still ruled by EU.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:04 AM
 
Location: England
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all we leavers have to do is hold our nerve and just hope we leave the EU in 2 months time with a NO DEAL, anything else is not democracy and will see us not in EU but still ruled by EU.
We're hanging on Paul, and hoping for the best. Remainers are pushing hard within Parliament. If they overturn the democratic vote, there will be long term repercussions. A loss of faith in politicians, and the democratic process for starters.

All we have is Theresa May, and her determination to take us out of the EU. She isn't much, but is all we've got.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:13 AM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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We're hanging on Paul, and hoping for the best. Remainers are pushing hard within Parliament. If they overturn the democratic vote, there will be long term repercussions. A loss of faith in politicians, and the democratic process for starters.

All we have is Theresa May, and her determination to take us out of the EU. She isn't much, but is all we've got.
there is already a loss of faith in politicians because they have ignored the result of the vote and did what THEY wanted for their political futures and NOT what the people wanted, there will be repercussions no matter what does or does not happen.
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