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Corbyn goes on about us remaining in a customs union. If we do, that ensures we can't do trade deals outside the EU, and free movement continues. He is a useless sod, who changes his mind from week to week, just what he wants.
The very idea of such an idiot winning a General Election, and going to negotiate with the EU is laughable. They would eat him for breakfast.
All we have, and gawd help us, is Theresa May. She has to see this through, and get us out of the EU.
all Corbyn wants is to get into power, he dosent care how he does it he will use any excuse.
if labour gets into power they will bankrupt the country with their excessive spending, and can you imagine Diane Abbot in say the Treasurer or in charge of any funding? she has no grasp of simply arithmetic.
all Corbyn wants is to get into power, he dosent care how he does it he will use any excuse.
if labour gets into power they will bankrupt the country with their excessive spending, and can you imagine Diane Abbot in say the Treasurer or in charge of any funding? she has no grasp of simply arithmetic.
No matter how hard they try and tutor Diane Abbott, she falls apart over questioning on government finance. She is truly hopeless.
She goes on Question Time on the telly, and sulks, saying she is being abused, and picked on. Now she is threatening to boycott the show.
She will never make a real politician as long as I have a hole in my ****. Pardon my French.
So now Theresa goes back to the EU, and says 'reopen the deal. We want the backstop removing. Do that, and I can get enough votes in Parliament for a soft Brexit. It's in both our interests for this. How about it?'
The EU keep their serious face on, and say nope....... the backstop isn't going anywhere. Then what? We stare each other in the face, waiting for the other side to blink?
It's going to be real interesting as the end of March approaches.
Some clarity on the matter by the deputy EU negotiator Sabine Weyand? Or is it a ruse? The youtube comments seem to praise her clarity and I can see why.
Personally I can understand how the backstop is a necessity, however surely an exit clause can be arranged if talks break down. Even something like a 20 year time limit will go some ways to convincing people.
To me though the main error was the EU's demand of negotiating the divorce before the future relationship, this should've never been accepted by the UK government and is the main reason for the stale mate. The withdrawal agreement is legally binding but Theresa May proclaims nothing is agreed until all is agreed (i.e. including the future relationship - which so far is 8 flimsy pages of a political declaration), so in essence the withdrawal agreement can be made void before the 31st December 2022, the so-called transition period? I would like clarification on this statement by Theresa May. Which clause or clauses stipulate this void of the UK's legal obligation from the withdrawal agreement? Or is this just another May-bot spin?
PS. She failed to Mention Gibraltar as the other land border between EU and UK. Purposefully so as to not rile Spain? Oversight? Or conspiracy?
if the EU don't budge on the NI backstop it'll be no deal then!
Yep, I watched the video of the EU's deputy negotiator. She was very clear. Theresa May needs to go to the EU, tell them the backstop has to go. They will tell her they are not willing to do that.
The PM then needs to come home, and start preparing for a hard Brexit seriously, and the fight within Parliament from some trying to stop her.
We have to be ready for disruption, and maybe even empty supermarket shelves. We have faced worse than this in living memory. At least food coming here from non EU countries won't face the worry of sinking by German U-Boats.
The EU, especially the French will try and damage us long term. It is a wily creature used to getting it's own way. It's going to be hard, and not just for us. We must be prepared to inflict damage on the EU, if it does it to us.
They won't like the idea of measures we can take to protect our interests. It's time for some bloody mindedness, and self protection.
Yep, I watched the video of the EU's deputy negotiator. She was very clear. Theresa May needs to go to the EU, tell them the backstop has to go. They will tell her they are not willing to do that.
The PM then needs to come home, and start preparing for a hard Brexit seriously, and the fight within Parliament from some trying to stop her....
Absolutely the best course - the only realistic one under the circumstances. But someone should nail her feet to the floor before she goes to Brussels yet again, to "renegotiate" and tweak a deal that was supposed to be The Deal. The cost of the flight could be better spent on Brexit. Time to get real, Trixie.
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The EU, especially the French will try and damage us long term. It is a wily creature used to getting it's own way. It's going to be hard, and not just for us. We must be prepared to inflict damage on the EU, if it does it to us.
So many of the posts in this thread smack of this kind of ultra-nationalist hysteria and devotion to conspiracy theories. It could be dismissed as pure jackassery, if its abundance did not present such an ugly picture in the forum.
When all the costumed nutbags have left the streets what the businesses and moneymen of the UK want is to make as much money dealing with the EU countries as possible, and that is exactly what their EU counterparts want. "...the French," presumably the people of France, have zero interest in damaging the UK long term. Total xenophobic rubbish which has that old smell of Der Fuhrer and National Socialist spew blowing off of it...the howling threat is disgusting.
As one of the contributors already suggested, a major flaw in the negotiations was the lack of high-level participation by businessmen. Too much of the process has ultimately been fan-dancing by rival Conservative politicos whose interest is in party politicking and posturing.
Absolutely the best course - the only realistic one under the circumstances. But someone should nail her feet to the floor before she goes to Brussels yet again, to "renegotiate" and tweak a deal that was supposed to be The Deal. The cost of the flight could be better spent on Brexit. Time to get real, Trixie.
Jacob Rees-Mogg and the Brexiteers of the European Research Group (ERG) will back the Plan C 'The Malthouse Compromise' which could unite the Tories and DUP, and may be backed by a significant number of remainers. The plan is being touted by Nicky Morgan and Steve Baker as is winning support.
The plan is A compromise whereby we leave on the 29th March but rather than a backstop we have a transition period until 2021 during which free trade talks can continue and both sides have time to prepare any future trading agreement. In exchange for the plan, the EU will receive it's £39 Billion in installments and would be iable to pay another two years EU membership amlunting to around a fiurther £17 Billion, so that's £56 billion ($73 Billion) in all.
The divorce or leaving settlent is currently the sticking issue and not a free trade agreement, and this would allow Britain to leave and give both sides time to come to a trading agreement.
The EU will have the money they wanted to squeeze from the British taxpayer, indeed the Irish Border was never a serious issue, as 80% of Southern Irelands exports come through the UK and a hard border would have been ridiculous, whilst Britain can possible leave on good terms in relation to a raft of other issues.
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What is the Malthouse Compromise?
The amendment means Britain would leave the EU “on time and with a functioning government”, according to former Brexit minster Steve Baker.
The Northern Ireland backstop would be redrafted as a “free trade agreement-lite” with a commitment on all sides there should be no hard border on the island of Ireland, according to Ms Morgan. But the plan seeks to extend the transition period – the period where the UK would continue to follow EU rules and pay into its budget – from the end of 2020 and in to December 2021.
The aim of this is to allow the UK and EU to “prepare properly” for World Trade Organisation (WTO) terms or “obviate this outcome by negotiating a mutually beneficial future relationship”. Britain would pay the £39bn divorce settlement to the EU. Those involved in the plan described it as a “win-win compromise”.
We have to be ready for disruption, and maybe even empty supermarket shelves. We have faced worse than this in living memory. At least food coming here from non EU countries won't face the worry of sinking by German U-Boats.
what some people seem to forget is that the UK is a farming nation, and we faced a lot worse in WW2.
this talk of empty shelves is just so much "project fear" from the remainers, the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world, do they think we are just going to fall by the wayside?
about 60% of our food is grown here in the UK, 40% is imported, of that only half or about 20% is imported from the EU the rest comes from non EU countries, like New Zealand and Brazil to name but 2.
if Europe wont supply us with that 20% of our food, and why wouldn't they? talk about cutting their own throats! we just increase what we get from outside the EU.
what some people seem to forget is that the UK is a farming nation, and we faced a lot worse in WW2.
this talk of empty shelves is just so much "project fear" from the remainers, the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world, do they think we are just going to fall by the wayside?
about 60% of our food is grown here in the UK, 40% is imported, of that only half or about 20% is imported from the EU the rest comes from non EU countries, like New Zealand and Brazil to name but 2.
if Europe wont supply us with that 20% of our food, and why wouldn't they? talk about cutting their own throats! we just increase what we get from outside the EU.
The EU couldn't give a toss about the Irish border, we all know of this was about money at the end of the day, they want either to keep us in the EU through se second vote thereby keeping us paying, kep us in an EEA type Customs Union thereby making sure we still have to pay or if we do leave securing as much money as possible.
The EU will be open to a transition period after we leave, providing we pay them £39 billion and £8.7 Billion for every year the transtion deal lasts which would be around two years, giving them £56 Billion ($73 billion).
As already explained the option C compromise is the one being chamioned by some in Parliament, and looks like one if the few ways we get to leave without massive complications.
In terms of the EU, they would have to be stark raving mad not to take the potential £56 billion which is beng touted.
The alternative for the EU is no payout and tariffs on their $100 billion a year surplus with the US, as well as a possible hard border in Ireland which no one wants.
Absolutely the best course - the only realistic one under the circumstances. But someone should nail her feet to the floor before she goes to Brussels yet again, to "renegotiate" and tweak a deal that was supposed to be The Deal. The cost of the flight could be better spent on Brexit. Time to get real, Trixie.
So many of the posts in this thread smack of this kind of ultra-nationalist hysteria and devotion to conspiracy theories. It could be dismissed as pure jackassery, if its abundance did not present such an ugly picture in the forum.
When all the costumed nutbags have left the streets what the businesses and moneymen of the UK want is to make as much money dealing with the EU countries as possible, and that is exactly what their EU counterparts want. "...the French," presumably the people of France, have zero interest in damaging the UK long term. Total xenophobic rubbish which has that old smell of Der Fuhrer and National Socialist spew blowing off of it...the howling threat is disgusting.
As one of the contributors already suggested, a major flaw in the negotiations was the lack of high-level participation by businessmen. Too much of the process has ultimately been fan-dancing by rival Conservative politicos whose interest is in party politicking and posturing.
I'm not talking about the French people in particular, but their leaders. Right back to Charles de Gaulle, leaders have never missed a chance to dismiss us. It doesn't take much for the French to start sticking the knife in.
You are right in Theresa is wasting her time even bothering to go to the EU leadership any more. I guess it's just so she can say she tried, and they refuse to listen.
As an American, you seem to feel you know more about what's going on in England than I do. You don't seem to grasp the anger felt in many parts of my country. You dismiss it as ultra-nationalist hysteria, or pure jackassery, as you put it.
I ask you, as an outsider, when is enough, enough in this small island? How many more immigrants do you think we can absorb? The population is growing at an alarming rate. What is it now 65 million? How about 80 million? 90 million? When is it enough?
If we remain in the EU, this invasion will continue, causing ever more strain on this countries resources. Freedom of movement is just fine in small amounts, not with the millions we are having to deal with.
It isn't just about what's best for business. Business will run for the hills, and other countries, if we sink into a civil war. We have problems enough from previous waves of immigration, without ever more. It has to be slowed down drastically, or we're in big trouble down the line. I don't say this lightly, or hysterically.
I have watched the massive changes in this country for many decades. Some for the good, but many for the bad. Unfettered immigration, especially from within the EU, has meant we have gained many good people, but also some of Europe's unwanted, delighted to be able to escape the poverty, and disdain within their own countries. Their old countries are glad to see the back of them. I don't want them here.
I talk from experience seeing such people up close, trying to sell fake gold to pawnshops in town. Wandering round in groups looking for pockets to pick. I am talking from knowledge of this, not speculation. You think we should just be expected to put up with this indefinitely, just because the EU says so? We have had enough, and want it ended.
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