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Old 10-19-2016, 08:30 PM
 
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No. Its either english or Putin.
Putin is a language?
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Old 10-19-2016, 08:47 PM
 
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putin will bury you
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Old 10-20-2016, 10:59 AM
 
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putin will bury you
Do they have shovels in Russia?
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Old 10-20-2016, 03:33 PM
 
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with all that oil money, i would hope so. they have nuke powered ice breakers
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Old 10-20-2016, 09:26 PM
 
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with all that oil money, i would hope so. they have nuke powered ice breakers
Wow, you don't say!
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Old 10-21-2016, 01:45 AM
 
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Well, Theresa May got the expected ice cold welcome yesterday at her first European Council Meeting as PM. She got her usual threats from the French. She smiled, and tried to be cordial and polite. It's obviously a waste of time. Once the negotiations start next year, I would think it will become obvious the best thing to do is trigger a hard Brexit, and go for WTO rules.

I have no doubt at this moment, migrants from Europe are flooding into my country, making sure they're safely here before Brexit is triggered. We need to get a move on. Two years of waffling is a long time, and I don't think we should even bother. The other members of the EU are angry, and some want to dish out the punishment. OK go ahead........ let's just get out as fast as possible.
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Old 10-21-2016, 02:19 AM
 
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I figure that the least bad offer-consistent with British sovereignty-would be a partial reduction of tariffs compared to that paid by nonmembers.

Thats the advantage "associate" members of Mercosur get compared to nonmembers. Nonmembers pay the full tariff, while the tariff is reduced for associate members.
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Old 10-21-2016, 05:05 AM
 
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I figure that the least bad offer-consistent with British sovereignty-would be a partial reduction of tariffs compared to that paid by nonmembers.

Thats the advantage "associate" members of Mercosur get compared to nonmembers. Nonmembers pay the full tariff, while the tariff is reduced for associate members.
The thing is, no other non EU member has anything like the trade volume that the UK has. Then you have to factor in the "non direct" benefits of trade, such as job creation. An example is lorry drivers, the UK has created huge numbers of jobs in Poland, Romania, Hungary etc. The same cannot be said if you turn it around, the EU has actually cost the UK jobs in the haulage industry.
My concern is, that the UK is being too "weak", at least that's the impression, of course it could be very different behind closed doors... but
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Old 10-21-2016, 05:24 AM
 
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The thing is, no other non EU member has anything like the trade volume that the UK has. Then you have to factor in the "non direct" benefits of trade, such as job creation. An example is lorry drivers, the UK has created huge numbers of jobs in Poland, Romania, Hungary etc. The same cannot be said if you turn it around, the EU has actually cost the UK jobs in the haulage industry.
My concern is, that the UK is being too "weak", at least that's the impression, of course it could be very different behind closed doors... but
Trade with the UK creates many jobs as you say. Yet, because we want to leave, our PM gets the cold shoulder, and sneering insults from some, especially the French. I know some of this is posturing for their home audience, at least I hope so.

We are not going to fight from a position of strength, but we have some important cards to play. Just the jobs which would be lost here, and in the EU needs serious consideration from all parties.

But, we must not let them try and railroad us. If they do, then we should really consider just walking away. Making sure they understand this is what we will do if necessary. But this is not a threat that can be overused. If we say it, we must be prepared to do it.
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Old 10-21-2016, 07:03 AM
 
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I have watched Theresa May's speech before going off for lunch with Jean Claude Juncker. It is pretty obvious that some leaders within the EU think Brexit will somehow go away if they shout loud enough, and keep up the threatening pressure. Mrs May once again stated we would be handing in article 50 before the end of March next year. Maybe at last, they will all believe her, and start accepting it.
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