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Old 01-31-2017, 04:44 PM
 
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More than three million Americans voted against Trump than for him. He is an idiot and we know that but don't hate us all .He will be gone in four years and we will fixe all he screwed up.

 
Old 02-01-2017, 12:47 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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More than three million Americans voted against Trump than for him. He is an idiot and we know that but don't hate us all .He will be gone in four years and we will fixe all he screwed up.
Actually I disagree.

Trump is a symptom that is a combination of both liberal and Conservative policies and promises.

A lot of people have felt disenfranchised during the past administrations leading them to leap at a potential savior, liberals are directly responsible for this (as are conservatives), regardless as to the actual accuracy of the feelings of disenfranchisement.

A lot if people leapt at a populist leader who exploited the feelings of disgust and depression at the US political process, this was further fueled by the mistreatment and deceit used to eliminate Bernie Sanders regardless of the source of the information the information is accurate.

So no, you can blame all Americans, just because you didn't vote for Trump doesn't absolve you of responsibility for producing an environment that led to him. Indeed the claim itself is an object lesson in part of what led to him being elected, it's part of the whole problem of "oh I'm not responsible for X" culture there is in US politics. Yes, you are, because nothing happens in a vacuum, so if "X" could be related to something you've done (or supported) then you share some of the responsibility.
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Old 02-01-2017, 04:35 AM
 
Location: England
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Actually I disagree.

Trump is a symptom that is a combination of both liberal and Conservative policies and promises.

A lot of people have felt disenfranchised during the past administrations leading them to leap at a potential savior, liberals are directly responsible for this (as are conservatives), regardless as to the actual accuracy of the feelings of disenfranchisement.

A lot if people leapt at a populist leader who exploited the feelings of disgust and depression at the US political process, this was further fueled by the mistreatment and deceit used to eliminate Bernie Sanders regardless of the source of the information the information is accurate.

So no, you can blame all Americans, just because you didn't vote for Trump doesn't absolve you of responsibility for producing an environment that led to him. Indeed the claim itself is an object lesson in part of what led to him being elected, it's part of the whole problem of "oh I'm not responsible for X" culture there is in US politics. Yes, you are, because nothing happens in a vacuum, so if "X" could be related to something you've done (or supported) then you share some of the responsibility.
I totally agree. Trump, or someone like him, was long overdue. Ordinary folks both here and in America are sick of the same old self serving lying politicians. Like him, or loathe him, President Trump told ya what he was going to do, and he is doing it.

If Trump fails for whatever reason, the folks who voted for him will look who brought him down, and why. The next leader of his type will learn from Trump's mistakes, and things may turn out worse than anyone imagines. The concerns of ordinary voters have got to be attended to. We are sick of decades of being talked down to, and ignored, while a few get very rich.

The marchers against Trump can march till they get blisters. They think they can protest him into submission. This is a very different type of man. He is not a career politician worrying about joining the gravy train when leaving office. They can't buy him, and they can't scare him. The left is in big trouble. If Trump, against the odds, manages to turn America in a better direction for the majority of citizens, he will walk into a second term with ease.

The silent majority will be watching the protesters with great interest. These people seem to think countries like America and England also can just continue to take in so called refugees. We all saw last summer a million so called refugees march into Germany. The television reporters kept showing women and children. Remember that? In fact, the majority were young men taking advantage of the situation.

I watch protesters thinking they remind me of lemmings racing for the cliffs shouting "more immigrants and refugees....... yes please." Many of those people despise us, and want to take advantage. They cost us all a fortune from our taxes. We cannot let everyone from those parts of the world in conflict come to our shores. We will be overwhelmed. They have to sort out their own problems. Most Muslims being killed in war zones are being killed by other Muslims. This has always been so, and will continue. The only thing that stops it is a strong leader. Someone who terrifies them into submission. This is all they understand sadly. Trying to introduce Democracy was a big mistake on our part. Hopefully, we have learned our lesson.
 
Old 02-01-2017, 04:42 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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It surprises me some that so many would rather have the status quo than something different. Especially since the status quo has been a spiral of mistakes, blunbers and LIES! Career politicians are simply corrupt to no end. Absolutely self serving in every way... You can say many things about Trump but you can't say he is a career politician and that is why he got elected.. HALF of the Country SAID ENOUGH of the Status QUO.. The OTHER HALF SAID, 'THANK YOU SIR, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER!'
 
Old 02-01-2017, 06:02 AM
 
Location: Meredith NH
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Democrats are enraged and in disbelief that Trump was elected.They will lie, cheat,and do anything in their power to disrupt his policies.
Trump is star and already changing the corruption in America
 
Old 02-01-2017, 06:21 AM
 
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Democrats are enraged and in disbelief that Trump was elected.They will lie, cheat,and do anything in their power to disrupt his policies.
Trump is star and already changing the corruption in America


He is increasing it.The Republican party has been the party of hate for decades.You realize Trump was a democrate but they new he was a nut and he never got anyplace politicaly with them ,the republicans were in such disarray there was no other canidate that could compete.(I liked Kasich)Bernie Sanders screwed himself over ,while being an idependent he could not run in the primaries against Mrs Clinton add in he campiagn on socialist issues he dug his own grave.People want lest goverment not more but Trump is dangerouse and his ignorance will get many people killed .

People in America new Trump was and is a cancer,he campaigned on hate and bigotry.He scared the mid west(the rust belt) and scared mid life white men but still almost three million more Americans voted for someone else other than Trump so no,you can not blame "all Americans" for Trump
 
Old 02-01-2017, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Republicans are party of HATE..

Pot meet kettle..

You can't SPEW hate and then call the other side HATEFUL.. surely you see the flaw in that?
 
Old 02-01-2017, 06:28 AM
 
Location: United Kingdom
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More than three million Americans voted against Trump than for him. He is an idiot and we know that but don't hate us all .He will be gone in four years and we will fixe all he screwed up.
I don't think anyone is..
 
Old 02-01-2017, 06:33 AM
 
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Republicans are party of HATE..

Pot meet kettle..

You can't SPEW hate and then call the other side HATEFUL.. surely you see the flaw in that?

Republicans have been perfecting it for the last eight years.
 
Old 02-01-2017, 06:39 AM
 
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Actually I disagree.

Trump is a symptom that is a combination of both liberal and Conservative policies and promises.

A lot of people have felt disenfranchised during the past administrations leading them to leap at a potential savior, liberals are directly responsible for this (as are conservatives), regardless as to the actual accuracy of the feelings of disenfranchisement.

A lot if people leapt at a populist leader who exploited the feelings of disgust and depression at the US political process, this was further fueled by the mistreatment and deceit used to eliminate Bernie Sanders regardless of the source of the information the information is accurate.

So no, you can blame all Americans, just because you didn't vote for Trump doesn't absolve you of responsibility for producing an environment that led to him. Indeed the claim itself is an object lesson in part of what led to him being elected, it's part of the whole problem of "oh I'm not responsible for X" culture there is in US politics. Yes, you are, because nothing happens in a vacuum, so if "X" could be related to something you've done (or supported) then you share some of the responsibility.
Very astute observation.

Many feel that Obama's election was a direct result of Bush policies, where he tried to cut taxes and have unfunded mandates. You can do one or the other, but not both full on. The housing bubble was not his fault, but did happen on his watch. That combined with the unpopular wars created a perfect storm for someone like Obama to get elected.
How else could a political neophyte with skeletons in their closet, who's claim to fame was a community agitator, become potus.

Then after 8 years of poor leadership and ultra left wing policies, the stage was set for someone like Trump to come along as an even a greater political neophyte to get elected.
He has a history of strong executive leadership, but lacks the refinement most people expect in their potus. Many assumed he would self destruct, but as you point out, people felt so disenfranchised, they did not want 4-8 more years of the same. Hence the states the Democrats took for granted went for Trump. Democrats can blame Comey & Putin all they want, but many Democrats in the rust/industrial belt felt abandoned by the Democrats, thus they voted for Trump in droves. His populist message resonated with a great many in the working class. Frankly, I think if he delivers on even a portion of his promises to the miners and industrial workers, they will be happy and continue to support him.
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