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Old 04-21-2017, 01:21 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Razza94 View Post
In "better off" you mean increased German dominance and closer to becoming a superstate? They're the only benefits for EU zealots after losing their 2nd largest economy and most capable military power.
Germans don't care about and don't pursue 'German dominance'. The British will continue buying EU products, though at a higher cost, as they are not able to substitute them with own manufactured goods or with ones imported from the Commonwealth or elsewhere.
As to military power both the UK as well as most EU countries will stay in NATO.
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:36 PM
 
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Germans don't care about and don't pursue 'German dominance'. The British will continue buying EU products, though at a higher cost, as they are not able to substitute them with own manufactured goods or with ones imported from the Commonwealth or elsewhere.
As to military power both the UK as well as most EU countries will stay in NATO.
You really think that the UK and non-EU countries are unable to produce manufactured goods or other products at competitive prices?

You typify the EU arrogance that has turned off so many Brits.
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:38 PM
 
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I used to be a remainer but completely changed my mind after:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...t-negotiations

Brussels demands the UK foots the bill to relocate London-based EU agencies after Brexit

Bye EU, for good, they made it clear Britain is only a partner that should be respected if it stays within their undemocratic superstate. I'm now convinced we're better off out of it.
It does seem that the EU is all about grabbing as much money as they can.
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Old 04-21-2017, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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You may find this interesting.

Jolyon Maugham is a QC who specialises in tax law. But he has taken a special interest in the issue of whether Article 50 can be revoked:

https://waitingfortax.com/author/jolyonmaugham/
I'm not entirely in agreement with his logic. While I agree that law isn't enacted in a vacuum, if we extend his logic to contact law, then you could cancel a contact any time after signing, virtually to point of fulfillment. Not sure I buy that one.

However it's an interesting opinion, but still just an opinion.
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Old 04-21-2017, 02:38 PM
 
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I'm not entirely in agreement with his logic. While I agree that law isn't enacted in a vacuum, if we extend his logic to contact law, then you could cancel a contact any time after signing, virtually to point of fulfillment. Not sure I buy that one.

However it's an interesting opinion, but still just an opinion.
Agreed that it is just an opinion. But I found his perspective interesting. Ultimately, and if it ever comes to it, there will be a political decision and not a legal one. IMHO of course.
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Old 04-21-2017, 02:54 PM
 
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Agreed that it is just an opinion. But I found his perspective interesting. Ultimately, and if it ever comes to it, there will be a political decision and not a legal one. IMHO of course.
If it becomes a legal decision, then someone seriously wants to not leave the EU, I can't see that happening to be honest, and definitely not without a super majority referendum.
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Old 04-21-2017, 04:39 PM
 
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Germans don't care about and don't pursue 'German dominance'. The British will continue buying EU products, though at a higher cost, as they are not able to substitute them with own manufactured goods or with ones imported from the Commonwealth or elsewhere.
As to military power both the UK as well as most EU countries will stay in NATO.
I came across a web site where a new policy was proposed for the UK-import substitution.
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Old 04-22-2017, 11:56 AM
 
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Germans don't care about and don't pursue 'German dominance'. The British will continue buying EU products, though at a higher cost, as they are not able to substitute them with own manufactured goods or with ones imported from the Commonwealth or elsewhere.
As to military power both the UK as well as most EU countries will stay in NATO.
The Germans may not seek dominance, but it is being thrust upon them whether they like it or not. Diplomatically, the UK's commitment to European defence may decline if the rest of Europe wishes to pursue hostile diplomacy against the UK.

And the EU will continue selling goods to the UK. It's a mutually beneficial relationship, if the EU wishes to impose tariffs that will increase the prices, then they will also make themselves poorer. Perhaps then the UK will be forced to look elsewhere for goods, the EU is becoming less competitive in terms of prices.
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Old 04-22-2017, 12:19 PM
 
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To keep the rest of the EU from falling apart, it is in the interests of EU officials to visibly punish the British for Brexit.
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Old 04-22-2017, 12:48 PM
 
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To keep the rest of the EU from falling apart, it is in the interests of EU officials to visibly punish the British for Brexit.
Damaging the trading relationship with the bloc's largest customer during a period of serious economic crisis is not the best way to hold the EU together.
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