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Old 07-23-2018, 12:32 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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In the case of the police officer you just mentioned, he was shot with his own service weapon. The killer clobbered him with a rock, took his weapon, shot the cop, and then killed the woman with errant gunfire as he was being chased by other officers. No gun law would have prevented the cop's murder.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/weymout...ay-2018-07-15/



You appear to have no understanding of how the nation's gun laws work. Strict background checks are required nationwide when purchasing a new firearm. It's federal law. Have you ever purchased a firearm? I've done it several times, and each time I submitted to a federal background check.
Can you tell me what questions are used in this check please. AND does it also ask why some need a machine gun......is this to go hunting? or to take pride of place among all the other man toys in the basement...and is this all true... if so there is something seriously wrong with your country. Gun owners in Nevada don't need a permit to buy or possess a rifle, shotgun or handgun, according to the National Rifle Association. They can carry a firearm openly in public. Nevadans can even purchase machine guns or silencers, banned in other states, as long as they're legally registered and within federal compliance. The state does not prohibit possession of assault weapons, 50-caliber rifles or large-capacity ammunition magazines, according to the NRA.

 
Old 07-23-2018, 12:41 AM
 
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No, but an awful lot of their brethren were killed by American guns over the last 17 years, and most ensuing terrorist incidents in the U.S. were stopped by guns. LAX, Fort Hood, San Bernardino, Orlando, etc.
All the incidents you mentioned had already happened though. The perpetrator was able to pull it off, before armed security personnel took them out.

It all comes down to risk vs reward though. Yes, there have been incidents where an armed civilian was able to intervene to help the situation, but they are too far between. The reality on the ground is that in most cases, you wouldn't have enough time to properly react. If you're watching a movie, your focus is on the screen and not on your surroundings. Same goes for concerts or other public venues (Aurora, Pulse, Vegas...)
 
Old 07-23-2018, 03:15 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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You seem to assume that the US and UK are the same excepting gun laws. Firstly you'd need to realize and accept that increased gun control in the UK did not lead to reduced homicide rates. I've tried this with you before and you choose to willfully ignore the data. So I'll not bother unless you specifically ask me to explain, and have an open mind.
Of course they are 'the same'; are you seriously suggesting that Americans are somehow 'special' people? There is NO REASON why you can't MASSIVELY reduce the amount of people getting shot to death 'over there' by simply changing the law, I see it, the WORLD see's it. Nobody says anything about 'banning' guns but simply tightening the ridiculously daft gun laws you have. Homicide rates have NOTHING to do with the question, there are around 70 (SEVENTY) people shot to death in the UK every year and around 30'000 (THIRTY THOUSAND) in the USA, are you going to comment on this instead of changing the subject? You can't because you simply cannot argue against such figures.
 
Old 07-23-2018, 03:18 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Quite simply, suicides have no place in a discussion of gun crime and gun violence. It is neither a crime, nor is it violence. It is a case of a human being seeking to end their own life - a basic human right.


London's rising murder rate (greater than New York's, the last I checked) is clear evidence that London has a problem with gangs and street crime. However, it pales in comparison to ours. We have 1,000,000 to 2,000,000 gang members in the United States. They are ruthless, predatory and violent to the core.


No, our gun laws have not caused a single unnecessary death. Those deaths are caused by criminals. Besides the fact that murder is already illegal (and punishable by death), they still happen. You'll find that the vast majority of the people who kill people with guns did so with an illegal weapon that they were carrying illegally. Breaking law after law after law, it's almost as if these criminals refuse to follow the laws! So you know what will solve the problem? More laws!

When President Clinton was considering tackling gun control early in his first term, President Carter’s press secretary, Jody Powell, sent him this memo. It’s a rare example of an influential Democrat admitting the truth about gun control laws:

“As much as I hate to say it, the NRA is effective primarily because it is largely right when it claims that most gun control laws inconvenience and threaten the law-abiding while having little or no impact on violent crime or criminals. I support registration in principle, but two questions need to be asked. Are the people causing the problem going to comply voluntarily? If not, do you have a way to effectively enforce compliance?"


Correlation does not imply causation. I can show you nations with gun laws that are equally, if not more permissive than the United States, yet they have much lower gun murder rates. I can also show you nations with exceptionally tough gun laws which have gun murder rates nearly 10x the United States' rate.
30'000 (THIRTY THOUSAND) gun deaths, that's THIRTY THOUSAND, that is a thousand 30 times over! that's around 29'930 more than the UK, that's TWENTY NINE THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED AND THIRTY, MORE gun deaths than the UK. Such HUGE NUMBERS is simply shameful, how on this planet earth can you justify your gun laws when such a massively huge amount of people die by firearm every year. You cannot argue against those kind of MASSIVE numbers.
 
Old 07-23-2018, 07:58 AM
 
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And just when you think it can't get any worse:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...on-cody-wilson

So what's to stop anyone around the world, with the right equipment, from creating a firearm at home.

Seriously America, sort it out!
 
Old 07-23-2018, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Its the sheer conceit of these gun owners who seem to find it a necessary evil to have one or a variety of guns.. not to mention the clowns who leave loaded guns lying around the home for kids to pick up and it happened again just the other day, another child killed ... so will that parent now stop using guns or having them in the house... Ill bet they dont...
 
Old 07-23-2018, 11:40 AM
 
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Its the sheer conceit of these gun owners who seem to find it a necessary evil to have one or a variety of guns.. not to mention the clowns who leave loaded guns lying around the home for kids to pick up and it happened again just the other day, another child killed ... so will that parent now stop using guns or having them in the house... Ill bet they dont...
Unfortunately, most of the gun-nuts on here and elsewhere are too proud to admit they are being duped by their own government and the NRA. It's all about the $$$ and nothing more.
 
Old 07-23-2018, 12:08 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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Unfortunately, most of the gun-nuts on here and elsewhere are too proud to admit they are being duped by their own government and the NRA. It's all about the $$$ and nothing more.
I think most are weak men who need to feel confident or superior. They think that walking around with a gun makes them a real man. Send your money to the NRA. Send piles of money to the NRA. The NRA will make sure that the big bad government doesn't take your precious guns away.
 
Old 07-23-2018, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Unfortunately, most of the gun-nuts on here and elsewhere are too proud to admit they are being duped by their own government and the NRA. It's all about the $$$ and nothing more.
this takes gun nuts to the max..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGCKFzGAfQ0

This makes you wonder about parents.....someof these children are very young... and most young children are easily distracted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZIjaVFinzw

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Old 07-23-2018, 01:28 PM
 
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this takes gun nuts to the max..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGCKFzGAfQ0

This makes you wonder about parents.....someof these children are very young... and most young children are easily distracted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZIjaVFinzw
That's just awful, but why did he let a nine-year old fire an Uzi ffs? Even if you're an advocate for gun-ownership, you'd have to admit that was quite stupid.
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