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It would appear the U.K has an arrogant and stupid Donald to deal with in the form of that tool Donald Tusk who resorted to the internet to insult the U.K.'s PM May.
I agree the EU leadership truly don't understand the British psyche. You would think they would have learned from efforts to push us around before the vote. We don't take kindly to attempts to frighten, and intimidate.
The French gobbing off was expected, and no surprise. We have our backs to the wall, and know what to expect from now on.
They never intended to give us any sort of real trade deal. It all has to be on their terms, and as Theresa May said yesterday, that is not acceptable, and a no deal would be more acceptable, than what they are offering.
Some like the people you named, and others, refuse to accept the result of the vote. They come out with crap like needing 'a people's vote.' We had a people's vote, and the people voted to leave. Any attempts to force a second vote will bring anger out on to the streets.
We all saw what anger, and bad feeling can look like with the Scottish Independence vote. Once anger starts to show, it could get real messy. The politicians realise this. At least the ones not blinded by a desire to overthrow the vote result.
There are only three options now, a Norway style deal which is out of the question due to the fact it would still mean free movement of people and observing the four pillars including staying in the customs union and sngle market, so that's dead in the water already.
A Canada Style Free Trade Agreement, which would mean the EU stil get their £40 Billion and we still get some trading acceess, however this dies not cover financial services.
Thirdly just walk away and don't give them the £40 Billion.
Given the fact that there is not going to be that much advantage between a free trade deal which doesn't include financial services and just walking away other than allowing the EU to keep their massive trade deficits and EU agriculture and fishery policies , whilst stopping our financial services trade with them, I suggest we just walk away. This would also save us £40 Billion.
It's good to know who your allies are, and on our leaving I also suggest we review our defence and security arrangements with these countries and tear up a lot of agreements starting with the French Lancaster House Treaties.
There's no point in discussing it any further, as a Canada deal would be pointless unless finacial services were fully included. It also took Canada seven years to even get to this stage and the deal still may be blocked by some EU countries.
So it's all fairly pointless, we can try for a Canada Deal including financial services but that's it, and if that doesn't work we just have to walk away, whilst bringing troops back from the Baltics and reviewing our defence commitments in relation to Europe, as they can't cherry pick either when it comes to being closer allies only when it suits them.
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There are only three options now, a Norway style deal which is out of the question due to the fact it would still mean free movement of people and staying in the customs union, so that's dead in the water already.
A Canada Style Free Trade Agreement, which would mean the EU stil get their £40 Billion and we still get some trading acceess, however this dies not cover financial services.
Thirdly just walk away and don't give them the £40 Billion.
Given the fact that there is not going to be that much advantage between a free trade deal which doesn't include financial services and just walking away other than allowing the EU to keep their massive trade deficits and bloated agriculture protectionism and fisheries, whilst stopping our financial services trade with them, I suggest we just walk away. This would also save us £40 Billion.
It's good to know who your allies are, and on our leaving I also suggest we review our defence and security arrangements with these countries and tear up a lot of agreements starting with the French Lancaster House Treaties.
It's looking like walking away is going to be our only option. Some in the EU think by putting pressure on, they will get another vote, or a different government to deal with. I can't see this happening in the next six months, but who knows?
The French attitude doesn't surprise me in the least, and I expected it sooner or later. We now need to take a deep breath, and walk away. Nothing we say or do will be enough for the EU, except complete surrender to their will. If they think that's what is going to happen, they are wrong.
A few countries within the EU are nervous. They are being held in line by the French and Germans for now. The nearer we get to exit day, the more unrest there will be within the EU ranks. Tusk and Juncker are holding the line, no doubt with threats behind the scenes.
They have had quite enough of our money this last 45 years, we should give them no more. The EU needs to be told they can whistle for the 40 billion they want off us. What have we got to lose now? They are going to try and damage us whatever we do or say.
I know business here is nervous,and uneasy. It is going to be difficult for us going forward, but what else can we do? An example was always going to be made of us, and nothing was going to prevent that. They can take their four pillars, and shove them up their *****.
We have never really been enthusiastic members of their little club. Thatcher should have made a stand 30 years ago, and give us a vote for leaving way back then. It would have saved us a lot of pain now.
We need to take a lesson out of the French textbook, and start with the bloody mindedness. It doesn't matter anymore, the French will ensure we have trucks backing up the roads of Kent. They will ensure we have goods rotting in wagons. Well, the same can be done the other way. German goods, French goods, make them suffer in the same way. At the same time, ensure the navy protects our waterways, and take back our fishing grounds for just our use.
Withdraw our armed forces from the outskirts of the EU, and pull up the drawbridge on any more immigration without visas. It's going to be bad, but we need to dish out the pain, as well as take it. It's going to be hard on all of us. We have been fools long enough.
There is a special work visa (associated with the AUSFTA trade deal) for Australians-the E3 visa. This is intended for people who have lined up work in the USA in a specialized occupation. This visa permits employment of one's spouse.
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If offered a job and the employer will sponsor you then you can go and work in the USA today from the uk or anywhere I would imagine.
The US and Uk would benefit equally from free movement of citizens but due to the amount of immigrants entering the uk over the last 50 years this is probably a none starter now.
If offered a job and the employer will sponsor you then you can go and work in the USA today from the uk or anywhere I would imagine.
The US and Uk would benefit equally from free movement of citizens but due to the amount of immigrants entering the uk over the last 50 years this is probably a none starter now.
Are you sure? The U.S. does not have universal health care and Obamacare is collapsing. The U.K. would be a very attractive destination for anyone in the U.S. with a serious illness such as cancer and no (or little) health insurance.
Are you sure? The U.S. does not have universal health care and Obamacare is collapsing. The U.K. would be a very attractive destination for anyone in the U.S. with a serious illness such as cancer and no (or little) health insurance.
Very true, there are many people both sides of the Atlantic that would like to try the other for their own reasons.
I know plenty of Brits who have no money worries and own homes in the US but can't just retire there even though they would take nothing and give plenty.
Are you sure? The U.S. does not have universal health care and Obamacare is collapsing. The U.K. would be a very attractive destination for anyone in the U.S. with a serious illness such as cancer and no (or little) health insurance.
We can't afford a few million Americans climbing off a plane, and throwing themselves on the floor, demanding to be taken to a hospital. I kid you not, I was told by an airport worker this does happen with passengers from certain parts of the world.
Sorry Americans, we have enough sucking on the tax payer teat already in the UK.
Tonight there’s talk of the conservatives calling a snap election in the hope of gaining support for whatever’s next whilst over in the labour camp Corbyn Is now saying he will support a second vote if called to by his supporters.
A poll today also shows 90% of labour voters support staying in the EU.
I’d hate to see Corbyn as prime minister but it’s starting to look like a real possibility, scary times.
Tonight there’s talk of the conservatives calling a snap election in the hope of gaining support for whatever’s next whilst over in the labour camp Corbyn Is now saying he will support a second vote if called to by his supporters.
A poll today also shows 90% of labour voters support staying in the EU.
I’d hate to see Corbyn as prime minister but it’s starting to look like a real possibility, scary times.
Can you provide links to your claims? 'Talk of the Conservatives calling a snap election.' 'A poll today shows 90% of Labour voters support staying in the EU.'
Do you mean 90% of the snot nosed kiddies?
If the British public are stupid enough to vote in Corbyn, then they deserve all they get.
The Tories won't call any snap elections as long as they continue to get support from the DUP.
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