Scots, Welsh, and NI.. (houses, school, live)

[Marmadukes]

Scots, Welsh, and NI have got more than a cheek...What they have is a cap in hand attitude....Health spending has been devolved for a number of years...Sad to say, like kids coming back to parents, they are on the beg...You`ve made your bed..Live with it!!!BBC NEWS | UK | Wales | Dispute over swine flu jab costs

[Jaggy001]

Originally Posted by Marmadukes

Scots, Welsh, and NI have got more than a cheek...What they have is a cap in hand attitude....Health spending has been devolved for a number of years...Sad to say, like kids coming back to parents, they are on the beg...You`ve made your bed..Live with it!!!BBC NEWS | UK | Wales | Dispute over swine flu jab costs

That is because the whole devolution settlement has been badly thought out. Its a bit like being half-pregnant. There was no clear constitutional arrangement where powers, responsibility and access to funds were properly defined.

[Scotslass]

Well if ya ain't happy.... Thank your oh so lovely English government and greedy lords for the situation we're in.

From your posts you are most definately anti Scottish or anything that isn't English you have a problem with it, that to me is quite disturbing.

That is because the whole devolution settlement has been badly thought out. Its a bit like being half-pregnant. There was no clear constitutional arrangement where powers, responsibility and access to funds were properly defined.

Yep, we know where the blame lies.

[Trotter67]

Originally Posted by Scotslass

Well if ya ain't happy.... Thank your oh so lovely English government and greedy lords for the situation we're in.

From your posts you are most definately anti Scottish or anything that isn't English you have a problem with it, that to me is quite disturbing.



Yep, we know where the blame lies.

What a load of utter crap this post is ..WTF?

English Goverment?? what?

Lets not reminde people North of the Border, we have no say in your country. but you have say in our country.

And for you to say that the poster is Anti Scottish, i think you should take a look at you own post before you class someone being anti anything.

the vast majority of your post ( which i've checked before posting this ) are Anti English.

Pot kettle black.

[Scotslass]

Originally Posted by Trotter67

What a load of utter crap this post is ..WTF?

English Goverment?? what?

Lets not reminde people North of the Border, we have no say in your country. but you have say in our country.

And for you to say that the poster is Anti Scottish, i think you should take a look at you own post before you class someone being anti anything.

the vast majority of your post ( which i've checked before posting this ) are Anti English.

Pot kettle black.

England has the last say and we are not in complete charge so really it all depends on the "UK government" not purely on the Scottish government.

Just defending Scotland, im sure you'd do the same so it does not make me anti English...that is bull.

When someone attacks my country I will not sit back and let them. Saying that we're begging??? Come on!

Sad to say, like kids coming back to parents, they are on the beg...You`ve made your bed..Live with it!!!

You have the utter cheek to call me anti English.

[Jaggy001]

Originally Posted by Scotslass

Well if ya ain't happy.... Thank your oh so lovely English government and greedy lords for the situation we're in.

From your posts you are most definately anti Scottish or anything that isn't English you have a problem with it, that to me is quite disturbing.



Yep, we know where the blame lies.

Now now .... this "oh so lovely" English government has had more than its share of Scots since 1997. Tony Blair was educated in Edinburgh, Gordon Brown is Scots and so was Donald Dewar who piloted the Devolution Bill through Parliament. And of course, our late lamented Speaker was Scots . There are plenty of other examples I could use (e.g. John Reid).

Because of the way Margaret Thatcher wiped out the Labour Party in England, the core of "New Labour" was made up from "old Labour" Scots simply because the Labour vote never collapsed in Scotland.

There is no such thing as an English government. That is why many English complain about Scots MPs voting on matters concerning England (the West Lothian question) whereas they have no say in what happens at Holyrood. It is arguable that Scots have as much say in what happens in England as the English do on what happens in Scotland.

There is no point in indulging in that traditional Scots habit of blaming the English for everything you don't like.

[Cornerguy1]

If y'all want to have a rational discussion without the the personal references, that's cool, but this school-yard name-calling stuff needs to disappear.

[STT Resident]

Originally Posted by Cornerguy1

If y'all want to have a rational discussion without the the personal references, that's cool, but this school-yard name-calling stuff needs to disappear.

I couldn't agree more. I'd add that when I grew up in the English school system MANY moons ago we were taught to express ourselves properly both orally and in writing with attention to basic grammatical standards.

We were judged/graded in subjects such as geography, history, as well as the obvious English language and literature classes on content but all grades were based not only on content but on grammar.

The required essays were of course tiresome from a child's standpoint but writing those essays were all part and parcel of the educational system and you never thought twice about NOT completing the assignment. Of course there was no internet then. You went to the local library to do research and read books and supplemented your knowledge of the books which your classroom provided.

The only homework which didn't entail the writing of an essay was maths and the associated geometry and algebra and, in retrospect, I wish that essays were required in those subjects too. I just might have grown up to be better with those basics if I had to research them from a different perspective as a child.

It would appear from the responses thus far on this thread that "English" as we old timers know it is slowly deteriorating in the UK as it has done for so long in the US where the filling in of a square on a multi-choice test questionnaire puts you into the haves or have-nots and independent THINKING is just an afterthought.

Sorry for having rambled on and, if apologies are necessary, I proffer them!

Cheers!

[Scotslass]

Originally Posted by Jaggy001

Now now .... this "oh so lovely" English government has had more than its share of Scots since 1997. Tony Blair was educated in Edinburgh, Gordon Brown is Scots and so was Donald Dewar who piloted the Devolution Bill through Parliament. And of course, our late lamented Speaker was Scots . There are plenty of other examples I could use (e.g. John Reid).

Because of the way Margaret Thatcher wiped out the Labour Party in England, the core of "New Labour" was made up from "old Labour" Scots simply because the Labour vote never collapsed in Scotland.

There is no such thing as an English government. That is why many English complain about Scots MPs voting on matters concerning England (the West Lothian question) whereas they have no say in what happens at Holyrood. It is arguable that Scots have as much say in what happens in England as the English do on what happens in Scotland.

There is no point in indulging in that traditional Scots habit of blaming the English for everything you don't like.

Its when they whine and complain about Scotland like we're a liability i get mad, and when we're accused of "begging" like "kids"

Then that is a step too far.

That is all i will say on this thread.

[Trotter67]

Originally Posted by Scotslass

England has the last say.

No it does not

The Houses of Parliament have the last say ..the same Houses of Parliament filled with Scots, Welsh, Northern Irish and English.

English people dont have a say in their own bloody country.