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And your saying Edinburgh doesn't have neds, junkies and pros? There has been many a night we've been out and seen them lingering in the city centre. Like I said i visit both cities on a regular basis and not one of them is perfect.
Even when I spent time visiting friends in Dunfermline i have never seen as many neds and junkies than when I was there and Rosyth is just as bad. Reminds me of Paisley.
Needles on the pavement? OK I think your just exaggerating now.
I agree the Edinburgh will have its fair share of Junkies, anti social behaviour and general assorted urban trouble.
For me Edinburgh and Glasgow are two vastly different cities and my personal take on it is that they satisfy the needs of different people . Edinburgh suits me much better. Cultural life is really important to me, I don't fall into the trendy/cluby crowd group, but I certainly agree with you that Glasgow is certainly not the way some posters describe it.
If you're "soft southerner/sassenach" like myself then I feel Edinburgh will be gentler on you.
There are rough areas as there are in Edinburgh. To me it simply a question of personality and character. I love Edinburgh's sense of history, I love its architecture ( though Glasgow possesses some fantastic Grand Victorian civic architecture it cannot IMO compare to Auld Reekie on that score), I love the fact that it is very cosmopolitan, smaller, more contained, it is more familar to me . Also I did as you know have some rather difficult experiences with Glaswegians. Edinburgh to me is more refined, Glasgow is more trendy and modern.
But Glasgow does have its charms, it has regenerated beautifully and will suit many people far better than Edinburgh. It is silly in a way to compare such different cities. It comes down to taste. I feel at home in Edinburgh and like an alien in Glasgow. I suspect the reverse is true for many people.
But the old idea of Glasgow as this decayed , crime ridden city is indeed a little out of date... Glasgow is actually uber-trendy , a very young city and vibrant in its own way. There is a lot of money sloshing around in Glasgow as is evident by many of the shops, restaurants, clubs and hotels.
I actually miss quite a few things from the city but living there again ? Never. Well I won't say never but I would have to be convinced that we would fit in better and be accepted.
I agree the Edinburgh will have its fair share of Junkies, anti social behaviour and general assorted urban trouble.
For me Edinburgh and Glasgow are two vastly different cities and my personal take on it is that they satisfy the needs of different people . Edinburgh suits me much better. Cultural life is really important to me, I don't fall into the trendy/cluby crowd group, but I certainly agree with you that Glasgow is certainly not the way some posters describe it.
If you're "soft southerner/sassenach" like myself then I feel Edinburgh will be gentler on you.
There are rough areas as there are in Edinburgh. To me it simply a question of personality and character. I love Edinburgh's sense of history, I love its architecture ( though Glasgow possesses some fantastic Grand Victorian civic architecture it cannot IMO compare to Auld Reekie on that score), I love the fact that it is very cosmopolitan, smaller, more contained, it is more familar to me . Also I did as you know have some rather difficult experiences with Glaswegians. Edinburgh to me is more refined, Glasgow is more trendy and modern.
But Glasgow does have its charms, it has regenerated beautifully and will suit many people far better than Edinburgh. It is silly in a way to compare such different cities. It comes down to taste. I feel at home in Edinburgh and like an alien in Glasgow. I suspect the reverse is true for many people.
But the old idea of Glasgow as this decayed , crime ridden city is indeed a little out of date... Glasgow is actually uber-trendy , a very young city and vibrant in its own way. There is a lot of money sloshing around in Glasgow as is evident by many of the shops, restaurants, clubs and hotels.
I actually miss quite a few things from the city but living there again ? Never. Well I won't say never but I would have to be convinced that we would fit in better and be accepted.
I don't think it should be me that you should be trying to convince lol. I know both cities very well and would never say one is "bad" or "deserves its reputation"
It all boils down to ones taste like you said. I'm young so Glasgow fits the bill as I find it really trendy. But for others just to slate it completely is just wrong.
I don't think it should be me that you should be trying to convince lol. I know both cities very well and would never say one is "bad" or "deserves its reputation"
It all boils down to ones taste like you said. I'm young so Glasgow fits the bill as I find it really trendy. But for others just to slate it completely is just wrong.
I agree and unless you have a good knowledge of both it seems churlish to sling mud and throw prejudiced views at either cities. You and I have a working knowledge of both and can make more informed comments.
As you know my problem was more one of socialisation than anything else.
Glasgow is actually quite a nice city. We just got fed up of being treated like outsiders when we tried so hard to integrate. Being English can be a burden in a city like Glasgow !
As far as I'm concerned Scotland and Scots rock ! Excluding Glaswegians. I guess I was scarred and cannot let go of my prejudices !
I am craving some Crab from the "Crab Shakk " restaurant, a place which understands seafood perfectly... I hope they open one in Edinburgh !
As you know my problem was more one of socialisation than anything else.
Glasgow is actually quite a nice city. We just got fed up of being treated like outsiders when we tried so hard to integrate. Being English can be a burden in a city like Glasgow !
Blimey Mooseketeer, things must be bad up in Jockland if they have turned against their age old allies (the French). I don't know either city too well but it does sort of strike me that Edinburgh is the more beautiful city and Glasgow (apart from Festival time) has the pulsing nightlife.
Me and a couple of work colleagues were out in Glasgow following a conference and ended up in a bar where we decided to do the entire list of shooters (about 20 although my memory is somewhat clouded). Needless to say that my request for three '**** Sucking Cowboys' confirmed all the bar staff's deeply entrenched beliefs about the English.........
Blimey Mooseketeer, things must be bad up in Jockland if they have turned against their age old allies (the French). I don't know either city too well but it does sort of strike me that Edinburgh is the more beautiful city and Glasgow (apart from Festival time) has the pulsing nightlife.
Me and a couple of work colleagues were out in Glasgow following a conference and ended up in a bar where we decided to do the entire list of shooters (about 20 although my memory is somewhat clouded). Needless to say that my request for three '**** Sucking Cowboys' confirmed all the bar staff's deeply entrenched beliefs about the English.........
I know ! The Old Alliance was nowhere in sight then... Mind you I don't drink at all so being in England can be awkward as it is but in Glasgow it was like I was from Planet Mars !
20 shooters ! I am not surprised the memory is a little clouded ! I am so not used to drinking alcohol I would be dancing on the tables after a shandy !
I just find it sad that you found the people of Glasgow to be unfriendly just because you were English, I know not everyone is like that as I know a few English friends that live in the Glasgow 'burbs and they have had a positive experience.
I guess its the same when in England there are some folk that hate the Scots but I cannot tar them all just because of that.
Wasn't trying to "slag off" where you live but I am just trying to get through to EnochTheSleestak that there are far worse places and places that are just as bad.
Glasgow is a hole. This isn't just opinion. But don't take my word for it....
Yes, every place has good and bad. But so few places have as much bad as Glasgow.
But returning to the OP, remember what I said. You can move to Glasgow and take the chance that one of us is wrong. Or do the safe thing and choose Edinburgh.
We all know there are certain parts of Glasgow which are cesspits and the east-end is all of that. But you can cherry-pick areas in other British cities and find similar problems and that includes Edinburgh.
I grew up in Glasgow and went to University in Manchester. I was shocked at the level of violence in Manchester. It was much worse than anything I had experienced in Glasgow. I have been to Edinburgh many times and been hassled by junkies there much more than I ever was in Glasgow.
It is all about perceptions. Depending on where you live, who you meet, what you enjoy, either city can be better than another. Personally, I would never ever live in Edinburgh. But, then, I am a Glaswegian born and bred so necessarily biased.
in reference to the comment about trainspotting being filmed in glasgow i think the person is mistaken as the high rises are in edinburgh for a fact also the people in edinburgh are not anywhere near as friendly and as up for a good time as the glasgow folk
i couldn't choose love both cities, they are different, i am closer to edinburgh but i am in glasgow a lot more, going to concerts etc, and if you want a dreadful, drug riding, nothing to do, bleak city come to scotlands forth city dundee! seriously don't come it's crap, you two cities don't know how lucky you are!
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