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Old 09-06-2010, 01:43 AM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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Some high speed rail projects began recently, for example :
-A line Tampa / Orlando
-A line Chicago / Saint-Louis
-A line San Diego / San Francisco (certainly the most ambitious)
..etc...

And the feds allocated $8 billion only, states and cities asked for $102 billion in high speed rail projects !

What do you think about it ? Do you see opportunities for these cities or states ?
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Old 09-06-2010, 01:49 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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They better be successful. Otherwise the money will have gone to waste.

I think the most successful one for daily ridership will be Orlando & Tampa. They are not too far off from each other. San Diego to Los Angeles will be convenient too. And with San Diego's economy slightly better, I would assume many would utilize this to employment benefits in the region. Perhaps in a decade after it is built San Diego & Los Angeles might merge to become one CSA.
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Old 09-06-2010, 01:53 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Eh - I don't know that high-speed rail makes a lot of sense in places where the existing transportation infrastructure is already adequate and HSR would be redundant. Where HSR makes the most sense is along the eastern seaboard: Boston/New York/Philly/Baltimore/Washington, where existing transportation infrastructure is at or near capacity. And sure enough, that's the one corridor that has already had HSR for years.

Also keep in mind that "high speed" means something a little different here than over there. Right now current speed limits on most train lines is 79mph (127kph). Most of the proposed "high-speed" lines would be raised to 110mph (177kph). I believe the top speed on the Acela line on the Eastern seaboard is 125mph (200kph), and that's the fastest trains we have here. I don't know what benefit there is to getting from Chicago to St. Louis on a 110mph train with stops in between, when I can hop on a plane that will take me there non-stop at 500mph. Get that train up to 200mph and now it becomes a real alternative.
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Old 09-06-2010, 03:09 AM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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Eh - I don't know that high-speed rail makes a lot of sense in places where the existing transportation infrastructure is already adequate and HSR would be redundant. Where HSR makes the most sense is along the eastern seaboard: Boston/New York/Philly/Baltimore/Washington, where existing transportation infrastructure is at or near capacity. And sure enough, that's the one corridor that has already had HSR for years.

Also keep in mind that "high speed" means something a little different here than over there. Right now current speed limits on most train lines is 79mph (127kph). Most of the proposed "high-speed" lines would be raised to 110mph (177kph). I believe the top speed on the Acela line on the Eastern seaboard is 125mph (200kph), and that's the fastest trains we have here. I don't know what benefit there is to getting from Chicago to St. Louis on a 110mph train with stops in between, when I can hop on a plane that will take me there non-stop at 500mph. Get that train up to 200mph and now it becomes a real alternative.
I think it's a good thing in areas with traffic jams problems, as SoCal.
And I'm agree, the line St Louis - Chicago is certainly the most useless.
What a shame for Texas, they would need a high speed rail I think because the pop growth is huge.
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Old 09-06-2010, 03:34 AM
 
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I'm partially supportive... I don't know why we just do not plan for maglev trains and try to make it more privitized and profitable like the airline industry (ok maybe a little more profitable than that)...

I don't think a government subsidized rail plan is a good idea... (it feels weird to quote the republican keywords)
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Old 09-06-2010, 03:57 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Hmmm , the Northeastern states are on track to spend close to 700 billion $$ on New or Restored Railways and Urban Transit. 60 billion $$$ is for High Speed Rail. The most expensive project is the second avenue Subway at a cost of 17 $$$ billion. The Govt will get around to it sometime this decade.
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Old 09-06-2010, 05:23 AM
 
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And I'm agree, the line St Louis - Chicago is certainly the most useless.
is that so? then i wonder why the chicago-st. louis line is the busiest amtrak route in the non-coastal us? even without high-speed rail, trains between chicago and st. louis are packed to the gills. and guess what? you can fly between these two cities in about 45 minutes for a relatively low airfare. but people still take the trains. a high-speed line between these two major midwestern cities is a no-brainer.
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Old 09-06-2010, 05:37 AM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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is that so? then i wonder why the chicago-st. louis line is the busiest amtrak route in the non-coastal us? even without high-speed rail, trains between chicago and st. louis are packed to the gills. and guess what? you can fly between these two cities in about 45 minutes for a relatively low airfare. but people still take the trains. a high-speed line between these two major midwestern cities is a no-brainer.
Sorry I didn't know that.
It's just I imagined better a line Chicago - Indianapolis
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Old 09-06-2010, 05:56 AM
 
Location: S.W.PA
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Well, more vital at the moment would be for cities,states, and the fed. government to pay down their debts. High speed rail would be great, but would cost our governements too much money, and in the end couldn't compete with air travel without continuous government subsidies.
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Old 09-06-2010, 06:38 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Well, more vital at the moment would be for cities,states, and the fed. government to pay down their debts. High speed rail would be great, but would cost our governements too much money, and in the end couldn't compete with air travel without continuous government subsidies.
The Acela Express grabs 37% of the Air Market between Bos-Wash. Ridership is growing very fast. Should be at 40,000 daily in a few years.
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