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Unread 01-21-2011, 06:00 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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Default Suburbs are an innately selfish way to live

Low-density, sprawling suburbs are totally unsustainable and instead of having 'best of both words' of urban and rural, tend to lack the benefits of both.

For a start, the big houses and blocks take up more land than they should without contributing anything: suburbanites don't grow food, they don't contribute to the socio-cultural capital of the city, and yet they're as artificial as an urban environment. People who celebrate the suburban lifestyle haven't really experienced an urban environment with plenty of greenery/open space, that is well-designed so it's quiet and yet with a vibrant sense of community.

By suburbs I don't mean 'single houses' - I think some of the older transit suburbs are examples of good suburbs where more attention was paid to the overall ambience and amenity of the area, not the convenience of the automobile. Many of these suburbs had fairly large houses but every square metre of the urban environment - roads, parks, sidewalks - were well utilised.

I think we should start doing away with these sprawling new developments and go back to cities with a dense urban core, less dense but still walkable urban ring, and a sort of high-density rural ring around that, surrounded by greenbelts of forest/parkland.
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Unread 01-21-2011, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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oh lord, another one of these silly rants?? how many threads like this must you people create?? couldn't you have found an already open thread to let out your anger??
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Unread 01-21-2011, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Low-density, sprawling suburbs are totally unsustainable and instead of having 'best of both words' of urban and rural, tend to lack the benefits of both.

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Yet if people choose to live there and enjoy it, would you not say it benefits them?
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Unread 01-21-2011, 07:06 PM
 
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Yep'we have sepnd billions on urban renewal;80% of federal funding for poverty goes to 20% of poverty in urban areas and yet they are deacying. People are smart enough to escape if they can which is their right as citizens.OP wouldn;t be writing this if he didn't recognise it. Just look at it has epple returning to their more rural roots of the past;makes it easier to keep leel headed about.
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Unread 01-21-2011, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Western Massachusetts
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Yep'we have sepnd billions on urban renewal;80% of federal funding for poverty goes to 20% of poverty in urban areas and yet they are deacying. People are smart enough to escape if they can which is their right as citizens.OP wouldn;t be writing this if he didn't recognise it. Just look at it has epple returning to their more rural roots of the past;makes it easier to keep leel headed about.
He's not from the US, Australia most likely has none of those problems.
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Unread 01-21-2011, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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I think we should start doing away with these sprawling new developments and go back to cities with a dense urban core, less dense but still walkable urban ring, and a sort of high-density rural ring around that, surrounded by greenbelts of forest/parkland.
If anyone is "selfish", its you.

You admit wanting to force people to living in an environment that you prefer instead of individuals and families making their own choices based on their preferences.
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Unread 01-21-2011, 07:36 PM
 
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Are people selfish for wanting safe neighborhoods and good schools, and in some cases proximity to good jobs?
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Unread 01-21-2011, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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As one who grew up in the city but raised my family in the suburbs I'll just state that I disagree that it is selfish to want to have a nice home with some land and safe schools.

Haven't regretted a minute of our decisions, and we have had homes in the suburbs of five major cities over the past 35 years.
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Unread 01-21-2011, 11:48 PM
 
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I don't think that a good portion of the people who live in suburbs can be considered selfish, many of them live there because they have no choice. It is because the 1950's government wanted suburbs because they were afraid the Soviets or the Chinese would use nuclear weapons on us, and thus we were afraid to live all close together. I don't blame the people who live in the suburbs for being selfish by choosing to live in suburbs, they have to live there because the government on all levels in league with the oil and car industry force it on us. Originally it was this Cold War mentality that everyone needs to live far apart incase nukes are used, but even with the fall of the Soviet Union people just got used to suburbs and wanted more of it since more than a generation past between then and now. I think that many people who live in suburbs would choose to live in a walkable high density city surrounded by greenbelt and wildlands if it wasn't so expensive, if they built more New York type cities there would be less cost because it would be more abundant. Not only that but if they improved schools and made it safer, so the white people would feel safe living in mixed income communities with blacks, hispanics, asians, and other people. I live in a suburb and I wish I could live in a NYC type enviornment (with some amenities like a higher square footage for families with kids), but they don't build entirely new cities from nothing anymore.
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Unread 01-21-2011, 11:56 PM
 
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The urban planning board is crazy.
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