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Old 03-16-2011, 06:57 PM
 
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AND, there were people living in cold water flats then, too. One does not negate the other.
I think you missed the word majority. I don't think in the US the majority of people ever lived in cold water flats. Or even apartments for that matter.
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Old 03-16-2011, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I think you missed the word majority. I don't think in the US the majority of people ever lived in cold water flats. Or even apartments for that matter.
No, many lived on farms, often w/o electricity or running water.

http://www.census.gov/population/cen.../urpop0090.txt

Note that urban includes many in smaller cities, as well.
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Old 03-16-2011, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK
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So he totally ignores the fact sprawl has taken revenue from the urban core in turn decaying cities, increasing crime rates and deteriorating infrastructure?
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Old 03-17-2011, 06:21 AM
 
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So he totally ignores the fact sprawl has taken revenue from the urban core in turn decaying cities, increasing crime rates and deteriorating infrastructure?
yes. Isn't that convenient for him?
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Old 02-22-2012, 06:38 PM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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No, many lived on farms, often w/o electricity or running water.

http://www.census.gov/population/cen.../urpop0090.txt

Note that urban includes many in smaller cities, as well.
Hmm. 86% of Massachusetts was urban in 1900, the biggest outlier on the list. Massachusetts has a few percent less people living in urban areas in 1980-1990 than 1900 but maybe that's from definition changes. In much of the northeast most people's ancestors were living in cities and often came from Europe -> city and never lived in a rural area. At least, true of (I think) most people I went to school with.

My mother's side was an exception. While some lived briefly in the city (NYC) most lived in the then-rural Long Island. No choice to move to the burbs. The burbs came to them.

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Old 02-22-2012, 11:49 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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So he totally ignores the fact sprawl has taken revenue from the urban core in turn decaying cities, increasing crime rates and deteriorating infrastructure?
Uh, yeah, of course he did. As those of us who haven't buried our heads in the hand are aware, we do not live in an Adam Smith's feudal society. Remarkable how that's lost on so many.
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:09 AM
 
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I like Stossel, but he's wrong here.
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Old 02-26-2012, 04:02 PM
 
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It wasn't my intention to just respond to you. That's why I included the same quotes you did. JayCT said: "not that long ago [...] the majority of the population lived in small cold water apartments." And you added: "a lot of city dwellers lived in cold water flats, and worse." I don't have any numbers to back this up, but I think that those who lived in such places were a small minority of all those who lived in cities, especially by 1946.
About 38 percent of Americans lived in "attached" housing in 1950. A majority of residents of most Northeastern states lived in either townhomes or apartments in 1950 (these are statewide statistics, so this would include some of the smaller cities). The tipping point happened in the 1950s as only the District of Columbia showed a majority of residents living in apartments/townhomes in 1960. In 2000, NY and DC were the only two with majorities living in apartments or townhomes. In between, Nevada and Florida showed majority apartments at different points and most of the Northeastern states hovered around 50-60% in single-family homes.

Historical Census of Housing Tables - Units in Structure
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Old 02-26-2012, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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About 38 percent of Americans lived in "attached" housing in 1950. A majority of residents of most Northeastern states lived in either townhomes or apartments in 1950 (these are statewide statistics, so this would include some of the smaller cities). The tipping point happened in the 1950s as only the District of Columbia showed a majority of residents living in apartments/townhomes in 1960. In 2000, NY and DC were the only two with majorities living in apartments or townhomes. In between, Nevada and Florida showed majority apartments at different points and most of the Northeastern states hovered around 50-60% in single-family homes.

Historical Census of Housing Tables - Units in Structure
Yeah, but by tipping point we're talking about is a 5% change in housing makeup. Aside from DC and NY, both of which remained majority attached, all of those Northeastern states that were majority attached were at cusp. And it was a short lived "tipping" point as the trend reversed itself. By the '70 more people lived in attached housings than they had in the '40s.
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Old 02-26-2012, 04:29 PM
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Yeah, but by tipping point we're talking about is a 5% change in housing makeup. Aside from DC and NY, both of which remained majority attached, all of those Northeastern states that were majority attached were at cusp. And it was a short lived "tipping" point as the trend reversed itself. By the '70 more people lived in attached housings than they had in the '40s.
The trend didn't reverse itself in the Northeast. Different regions were following different patterns.
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