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Old 03-20-2011, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Sacramento, Placerville
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a 2600 sq ft McMansion makes a statement that they are successful, they go out in the newburbs and buy in a gated community full of HOA CC&Rs.

Older boomer here--will someone please explain who these people are who purchased McMansions and live in gated communities with HOAs? (don't know what CC&Rs is.)
I don't know of anyone my age who would be caught DEAD living in a McMansion--they are hideous and wasteful.
CC&Rs are covenants, conditions and restrictions that "run with the land." It is the legal document that backs up the power of an HOA. It is the document that states you have to get permission from an architectural review board if you want to install new windows, states you must use your garage to store the car and nothing else, and that you aren't allowed to dry your laundry on a clothesline. HOAs and CC&Rs aren't mutually inclusive. Your property can have a CC&R on file with the county without an HOA.

Outside Sacramento there is a once-small town turned into an exburb called Lincoln. It is full of retiring and retired boomers who live in gated communities and planned communities governed by HOAs. In the US, gated communities have little to do with crime and more to do with a sense of exclusivity.

 
Old 03-20-2011, 08:16 PM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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This article is nonsense. I lived in NYC and found everyday life to be unreasonably uncomfortable. After a year and a half of true urban living, I was clamoring to be back in the suburbs. It's tiring to walk around everywhere. I'd much rather have a car to go places. Not to mention, walking in the windy, cold streets is NOT fun. The article is true, however, that I don't care to have a large house. Something modest would do fine, but I would like to have plenty of yard space for privacy and doing things outside.
I'd find it more frustrating for the only way of getting around to involving sitting still in a metal box. Cold and windy is solved by dressing well except on coldest days.

I have a friend in suburban New Jersey who can't walk anywhere; he's rather irritated.
 
Old 03-20-2011, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Once suburbs were built, future generations were stuck with them. The more suburbs are subsidized, the more affordable they are relative to the (safe parts of) the city, and the more young people will be have to live in them. Give us a level playing field, then you'd see what people truly prefer.
 
Old 03-20-2011, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Once suburbs were built, future generations were stuck with them. The more suburbs are subsidized, the more affordable they are relative to the (safe parts of) the city, and the more young people will be have to live in them. Give us a level playing field, then you'd see what people truly prefer.
Please tell me what kind of subsidies suburbs get that cities do not.
 
Old 03-20-2011, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I'd find it more frustrating for the only way of getting around to involving sitting still in a metal box. Cold and windy is solved by dressing well except on coldest days.

I have a friend in suburban New Jersey who can't walk anywhere; he's rather irritated.
I never had a problem with sitting in a car. You get a comfortable cushy seat, heat/AC, radio, and a roof to cover yourself from the rain. Oh, and a trunk to carry all the stuff you buy. Walking everywhere sucks. I've done it. But of course, to each his own, right?
 
Old 03-20-2011, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK
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There's something here that no one has mentioned and the article didn't mention. People will move where there are peers for their kids and good pubic schools. If that's in a neighborhood w/ big houses where you need a car, that's where they'll ultimately end up. Simple, really. People who come to Fort Lauderdale are forced to choose cute walking downtown area OR suburbs with kids and good schools. If there are areas with both, they'd make a tremendous investment and Id love to know where they are.
You're assuming we won't improve inner city schools by bringing a tax base back to the city. Which we will.
 
Old 03-20-2011, 10:28 PM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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Walking everywhere sucks. I've done it. But of course, to each his own, right?
Yep, to each his own. I've done it, and I was usually happy with it.
 
Old 03-20-2011, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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As a 22yo, I would love to live in a vibrant area that is highly walkable. If that means moving to the city, then so be it. I don't like living in large spaces; give me something small that I can manage to clean and upkeep. I don't want to own a home at this stage in my life...an apartment is suitable for my needs. Cars are nice, but I cannot afford the monthly car payments or the car insurance; I've got student loans to pay! I'd rather walk home tipsy from the bar than drive home tipsy. I fit the younger generation I-don't-want-to-live-in-the-suburbs stereotype, so sue me!
 
Old 03-21-2011, 12:00 AM
 
Location: socal
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its the media darganit!!
 
Old 03-21-2011, 04:47 AM
 
Location: classified
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Please tell me what kind of subsidies suburbs get that cities do not.
The fact that the older cities/suburbs are sending their tax dollars for roads, schools, and other infastructure in the newer suburbs at the expense of the cities/older suburbs.

I also think alot of this has to deal with the fact that alot of young professionals are delaying or putting off marriage/children entirely so things like school systems tend to be less of a factor at least earlier on. The main reason the birth rate has remained level is mostly because of immigration.

Also what the article failed to mention is that a sizable percentage of baby boomers are also moving back into the city, mostly the empty nester types.
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