Why so many apartments under 6 stories in the sun belt citites and one story store fronts (metro, suburbs)
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isn't this type of development pretty typical in most cities?
Especially the 6-story apartment part. I can't think of many cities I have been in where most apartments are over 6 stories. (Other than Manhattan and really close to the CBD of the biggest cities)
The east coast of Canada and more so Toronto seems to have banned the ribbon system or so called commercial strip ( I believe typical of the 40's and 50's ) some cases even a unplanned look and feel ,side walk at the street ,mostly 2 lanes one way and 2 lanes the other way ,slower driving speed 50KM or 60KM ,little or no green space , 1 to 10 stores at the most in the parking lot ,small lot ,little parking ,hard to find parking ,parking in the front,back or side !!! most walk to the front of the store, the front of the store faces the street, road side feel and look.
Typical of stores are bars ,restaurants and fast food ,Hot dog ,ice cream ,donuts , diners, car wash ,used cars ,car parts ,discont stores , U-hall ,cash shop ,storage ,auto body ,bicycle service ,computer store ,Beauty shop ,Jamaican food ,Caribbean, Cuban food , car sales ,tire sales ,rent a car ,windows ,beauty salons ,Jewellers ,cleaners ,pet store ,car parts ,part and transmission , supper mart ,used cars , laundry mat ,nails and hair cut ,oil filters for cars ,motors for cars ,car sales ,Hasty mart, 711 ,supply shop , furniture and mattress so on ..
The picture shows typical ribbon system or so called commercial strip ( I believe typical of the 40's and 50's ).
These commercial strip was alot like the main street or market street most cities would have .
It was a bad for finding parking some times do to parking lots where very small and one would have to park some times behind the store or the side of the store .
Than in 60's do to hardly anyone walking it was norm to move way from urban built pattern to embrace the suburb look and feel the use of plazas ,lots of parking !! Before the mid 90's before box stores and power centers took off.
The picture shows typical ribbon system or so called commercial strip ( I believe typical of the 40's and 50's ).
Note the east cost of Canada and more so Toronto for some reason seem to have banned this ribbon system or so called commercial strip . The only place you can find this is like in towns away from the city.
The sun belt cities in the US for some reason seems to be really strong into this typical ribbon system or so called commercial strip for some reason.
May be to do cheap land value or lose city zoning laws.
Note I took these pictures ( google street view ) and uploaded them to flickr .
Not loose zoning laws, but strict ones that prohibit mixed use, and lots of public-subsidized asphalt. This sort of street isn't just common in the sunbelt states, but throughout the west and midwest--and I imagine there's plenty of it in the south and the east too.
Where did 6 stories come from? Just curious. I think 3 stories is a height that most suburban areas stay at or under. Not always of course, but most apartment complexes and condos/apartments are 1-3 stories. For every picture of a 5-7 story structure, you can find 20 random pictures of 1-3.
What is strange for some reason is Toronto has alot of apartments and condos that are 15 to 25 stories high or more !!! And this is out side the town town area of Toronto in the suburbs .
It seem the east coast of Canada and more so Toronto has alot of apartments and condos that are 15 to 25 stories high or more even in the suburbs that you do not see in the US.
I do not know if they are copying europe way of doing it or what.
May be the city planning schools are different in Canada.
Not loose zoning laws, but strict ones that prohibit mixed use, and lots of public-subsidized asphalt. This sort of street isn't just common in the sunbelt states, but throughout the west and midwest--and I imagine there's plenty of it in the south and the east too.
in the old days before 1910 people would live above the store and the store would be at the street .But in the 20's and 30's do to automobile ownership it became the norm for most cities to have one story -store front like this.
But than I believe has ownership was big thing in the 40's and 50's it was norm to move way from the classic store front with use of the ribbon system or so called commercial strip. A strip along the road choped up into very small lots like the 3 pictures posted above.
Than in 60's do to hardly anyone walking it was norm to move way from urban built pattern to embrace the suburb look and feel the use of plazas ,lots of parking !! Before the mid 90's before box stores and power centers took off.
in the old days before 1910 people would live above the store and the store would be at the street .But in the 20's and 30's do to automobile ownership it became the norm for most cities to have one story -store front like this.
It wasn't due to automobile ownership. Nothing about owning an auto prohibits people from living above a store. That change was due to a nationwide effort towards urban planning strategies that promoted single-use zoning: industry in one place, commercial properties in another, residential properties in another. The resulting greater amount of space such cities take up was facilitated by a parallel movement for cities to pave their streets, originally to cut down on dust and dirt and make roads easier for trucks to traverse, but also ended up making automobile travel easier. More automobile ownership was the result of this pattern, not the cause.
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But than I believe has ownership was big thing in the 40's and 50's it was norm to move way from the classic store front with use of the ribbon system or so called commercial strip. A strip along the road choped up into very small lots like the 3 pictures posted above.
Than in 60's do to hardly anyone walking it was norm to move way from urban built pattern to embrace the suburb look and feel the use of plazas ,lots of parking !! Before the mid 90's before box stores and power centers took off.
People still walked in the 1960s, but road engineers and urban planners promoting suburban life simply acted as though they didn't when designing cities, with a predictable end result--people walked less where walking was less practical, although they still walked if they had no choice.
Big-box stores and power centers aren't a change from that pattern but rather its ultimate expression. Power centers get so big that often you can't walk from one end to the other--you drive from point to point within a gigantic shopping center. This is due both to the distances involved (necessitated by those gargantuan parking lot) and the physical layout's hostility to pedestrians (if pedestrian paths exist, they are often maddeningly indirect and uncomfortably close to multiple lanes of auto traffic.)
It wasn't due to automobile ownership. Nothing about owning an auto prohibits people from living above a store. That change was due to a nationwide effort towards urban planning strategies that promoted single-use zoning: industry in one place, commercial properties in another, residential properties in another. The resulting greater amount of space such cities take up was facilitated by a parallel movement for cities to pave their streets, originally to cut down on dust and dirt and make roads easier for trucks to traverse, but also ended up making automobile travel easier. More automobile ownership was the result of this pattern, not the cause.
Than why is it than cities in the US can have 3 built environment in look and feel.
Like the city of New York or Chicago being the classic look and feel.
- urban suburb a suburb made to look urban ( streetcar suburb with or with out the use of the streetcar ) urban like in Los Angeles some areas of Phoenix and Albuquerque .
Noted for grid system ,alleys ,parking behind the house , one story store fronts ,small very very small parking in the front,side or back of the store , ribbon system or so called commercial strip ,some cases even a unplanned look and feel ,side walk at the street ,or no green space , 1 to 10 stores at the most in the parking lot ,small lot ,little parking ,hard to find parking ..
A road side feel and look of slow down and pull in.
Note the urban suburb a suburb made to look urban have feel and look of a transition to car centric look and feel with out looking suburb.
Note the east coast of Canada and more so Toronto seem to have banned this look and feel for some reason I do not know.
- suburb
You have plazas , malls,box stores ,power centers,parking lots , parking ,faces of subdivision ,street hierarchy and anti grid.
You do not have grid system ,alleys ,parking behind the house , one story store fronts ,small very very small parking in the front,side or back of the store , ribbon system or so called commercial strip.
Older big cities like New York and Chicago were mostly already built out before the advent of Euclidean zoning. Older streetcar suburbs built to a denser pattern, but not as dense. In both cases, the original urban form and built environment is reflected even decades later--except in places where redevelopment or highway projects leveled the old urban form and replaced it. New postwar development, restricted by Euclidean zoning and designed around the needs of the automobile, and encouraged by public highways and other incentives to sprawl, took a radically different physical form.
Los Angeles is basically a bunch of streetcar suburbs, with newer auto suburbs filling in the spaces in between the skeleton of the old streetcar system--which is why some parts are so dense and relatively walkable while other parts are not.
Downtown Chicago and the older parts have the classic city/streetcar suburb look and feel, but once you get out into the far ends of Chicagoland, or the spaces in between the major commuter railroad lines (parts that weren't built out until the postwar era) the neighborhoods (and strip malls) don't look that different in physical form from newer West Coast cities.
Older big cities like New York and Chicago were mostly already built out before the advent of Euclidean zoning. Older streetcar suburbs built to a denser pattern, but not as dense. In both cases, the original urban form and built environment is reflected even decades later--except in places where redevelopment or highway projects leveled the old urban form and replaced it. New postwar development, restricted by Euclidean zoning and designed around the needs of the automobile, and encouraged by public highways and other incentives to sprawl, took a radically different physical form.
Los Angeles is basically a bunch of streetcar suburbs, with newer auto suburbs filling in the spaces in between the skeleton of the old streetcar system--which is why some parts are so dense and relatively walkable while other parts are not.
Downtown Chicago and the older parts have the classic city/streetcar suburb look and feel, but once you get out into the far ends of Chicagoland, or the spaces in between the major commuter railroad lines (parts that weren't built out until the postwar era) the neighborhoods (and strip malls) don't look that different in physical form from newer West Coast cities.
(Note: I picked spots with a Walgreen's or CVS Pharmacy in view.)
If you mixed up these four street views, could you tell which was which?
So why does Toronto not look like Phoenix ,Albuquerque or than Los Angeles .
Are you saying New York and Chicago and may be Toronto did not take a Euclidean zoning. And it is the Euclidean zoning that is the flat spread out look and is not mixed use?
In Los Angeles south central and east LA part of the Euclidean zoning .
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