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Old 10-10-2012, 04:44 PM
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To each their own. You don't have to have a front lawn if you don't want one, but it's stupid to call people who do stupid.

I take advantage of my front lawn almost every day, and it's quite lovely, with just the right balance between grass, shrubs, trees, and flowers. But I won't bother inviting you over to enjoy it, since you think it's stupid.

Oh, and I've never used a chemical on my lawn in my life.
I thought you've said your lawn isn't big?
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:01 PM
 
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I meant big front lawns. It's true they can be used for gardening, which is fine. And there are areas in which people still sit out on their front porches and enjoy the neighbourhood---but that tends to be in older urban areas or in poorer neighborhoods.

But you rarely see most people in typical surburbia spending time on their front lawns. So they're really dead spaces, used to distance your house from the road I guess. Actually I would love to know the history of the front lawn, in parts of Europe the houses are set right by the road.
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:25 PM
 
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What's wrong with that phrase?
Well it doesnt matter if trees and grass are in a state park or a subdivision, its still nature lol

This doesn't look fake to me, but idk i guess they could have artificial turn and fake plastic trees
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:31 PM
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Well it doesnt matter if trees and grass are in a state park or a subdivision, its still nature lol

This doesn't look fake to me, but idk i guess they could have artificial turn and fake plastic trees
Umm a lawn is not nature in the slightest. Stop maintaining and it will quickly become overgrown (although I find unmaintained fields more interesting than large lawns anyway). A lawn is rather useless as wildlife habitat, and it's a monoculture — no species diversity. If people think they have nature in a lawn, they're wrong — they've gotten fake nature instead. An attempt to place order on the natural world.

I don't think I would consider those lawns in the Florida view "large" either, although the poster who used that phrase didn't define "large".
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:32 PM
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So they're really dead spaces, used to distance your house from the road I guess. Actually I would love to know the history of the front lawn, in parts of Europe the houses are set right by the road.
There are some in the US as well. See the photos I posted on the previous page (although those have some distance from the road.
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:45 PM
 
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Umm a lawn is not nature in the slightest. Stop maintaining and it will quickly become overgrown (although I find unmaintained fields more interesting than large lawns anyway). A lawn is rather useless as wildlife habitat, and it's a monoculture — no species diversity.
Tell that to the chipmunks, squirrels, rabbits, groundhogs, and cats which call my yard home. Not to mention the birds, skunks, racoons, and deer which pass through. Of course the lawn as a monoculture is a bit of an idealization; my lawn has several sorts of crabgrass, I suspect.
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:51 PM
 
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To each their own. You don't have to have a front lawn if you don't want one, but it's stupid to call people who do stupid.

I take advantage of my front lawn almost every day, and it's quite lovely, with just the right balance between grass, shrubs, trees, and flowers. But I won't bother inviting you over to enjoy it, since you think it's stupid.

Oh, and I've never used a chemical on my lawn in my life.
Agreed. You're not going to get invited to see my lawn, either. It has a huge maple tree that we brought home in our little Toyota wagon in 1989. We've watched it grow just like our kids and our cats. We have a number of native CO shrubs, and we have two Colorado blue spruce where bunnies nest underneath. But, as you say, it's not nature.

I think the point of a front lawn a bit of distance from the road is quiet and privacy.

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I meant big front lawns. It's true they can be used for gardening, which is fine. And there are areas in which people still sit out on their front porches and enjoy the neighbourhood---but that tends to be in older urban areas or in poorer neighborhoods.

But you rarely see most people in typical surburbia spending time on their front lawns. So they're really dead spaces, used to distance your house from the road I guess. Actually I would love to know the history of the front lawn, in parts of Europe the houses are set right by the road.
And we all know, Europe is the gold standard, right? Let me relate an anecdote. We were visiting friends this weekend, and the guy showed us his pictures of Stockholm. It was the typical European city, with a center square with a cathedral (probably Lutheran since it was Sweden), everything bricked and concrete, with a few scrawny trees. His wife, who is from Hong Kong, said, "It seems a little stark." A conversation then ensued about European cities with all their brick and concrete. Who cares what they are doing?

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There are some in the US as well. See the photos I posted on the previous page (although those have some distance from the road.
Yes, they do have some distance from the road. The houses in Europe are smack up against the sidewalk. I never saw any people out there, either.
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Old 10-10-2012, 07:04 PM
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And we all know, Europe is the gold standard, right? Let me relate an anecdote. We were visiting friends this weekend, and the guy showed us his pictures of Stockholm. It was the typical European city, with a center square with a cathedral (probably Lutheran since it was Sweden), everything bricked and concrete, with a few scrawny trees. His wife, who is from Hong Kong, said, "It seems a little stark." A conversation then ensued about European cities with all their brick and concrete. Who cares what they are doing?
Me. There's positives and negatives about different places. Might it be good learn from positives from elsewhere.

Why would you expect a center city to have any greenery? A skim through Stockholm shows plenty of greenery if you go out some but right in the center there isn't any. And those who want a busy urban place and don't care much about greenery can get what they want.

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Yes, they do have some distance from the road. The houses in Europe are smack up against the sidewalk. I never saw any people out there, either.
my photos weren't of big cities. We do have smack against the sidewalk (actually there is some right a block from me don't know if i have a photo).

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Phila...273.65,,0,0.63

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=bosto...76.61,,0,-0.73

could find lots and lots more.

Edit: I posted a photo of a home near me right on the sidewalk this morning:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/26450772-post56.html

(hard to tell, but the two houses on the right in the first photo)
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Old 10-10-2012, 07:16 PM
 
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Me. There's positives and negatives about different places. Might it be good learn from positives from elsewhere.

Why would you expect a center city to have any greenery? A skim through Stockholm shows plenty of greenery if you go out some but right in the center there isn't any. And those who want a busy urban place and don't care much about greenery can get what they want.



my photos weren't of big cities. We do have smack against the sidewalk (actually there is some right a block from me don't know if i have a photo).

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Phila...273.65,,0,0.63

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=bosto...76.61,,0,-0.73

could find lots and lots more.

Edit: I posted a photo of a home near me right on the sidewalk this morning:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/26450772-post56.html

(hard to tell, but the two houses on the right in the first photo)
Denver's center city has plenty of greenery, and trees don't even grow naturally here. Cherry Creek nor the Platte River have been channelized, either.

Every European city that I have seen is built from the same model. Center square with cathedral, bricks, concrete, channelized rivers, midrise apartments built right on the sidewalk, yada yada.
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Old 10-10-2012, 07:21 PM
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Every European city that I have seen is built from the same model. Center square with cathedral, bricks, concrete, channelized rivers, midrise apartments built right on the sidewalk, yada yada.
Meh. That's seems fine to me be for a center city. I didn't notice anything Amsterdam's center city housing style. You can always live a bit outside the center if you don't care for that and just visit the center.
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