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Point made. We got urbanist/anit-suburban telling us how we should live. Here we have a wacko urbanist telling us the urban lifestyle should the desired way of living. This supports my argument. I'm supposed to hate applebees, but want to eat at mom and pop shops everytime. I'm supposed to want to walk everywhere and depend on a bus or train. I'm supposed cram my family into a 200 sq ft shack because that is great for society. Can you tell me the address I'm supposed to go to drink the urban lifestyle kool aid.
I actually like many suburbs, but your posts aren't helping. At all.
Does anyone mind that I don't care if suburbanites get upset when I talk about how much I like living in cities?
It should be done carefully, as I learned last week when describing a nice day I was having in my city that couldn't have happened in any surrounding suburbs. I accidentally (well, there was some bike-up beer involved) made it seem like I was talking about all suburbs, and threw some into conniption!
Where are you getting the idea that people in the suburbs don't value independent businesses? Or that people in cities think they're the best thing since sliced bread? There aren't any chain restaurants in cities? Noooooooooooo ...
Talk about painting in black and white. Pot ... kettle.
Isn't it a benefit to also have a variety of businesses that employ people? The employees of Applebee's do spend their money in their communities.
Geez, did you read the response before mine? I was responding directly to the person who brought up Applebee's. I also explicitly said it wasn't a suburban versus urban issue. Presumably people in both urban and suburban neighborhoods like the idea of supporting local businesses when they can. At least that's been the case everywhere I've lived.
And yes, Applebee's does employ local residents, and that's a benefit. I'd certainly take a chain over nothing. And it might be a franchise; not sure about that. But local independent places keep a greater percentage of their money in the community, and I think that's something that people in all types of locations can appreciate.
so I guess you missed the post where uptown urbanist believes suburbs are immoral.
For what I hope is the LAST time, I never said such thing!! I live in a suburb, for goodness sake. I said that continuing to encourage new, sprawling auto-dependent suburbs was an ethical issue. It's wasteful, and we can't sustain it, whether fiscally or environmentally. CLEARLY not all suburbs fit into that model, and -- as I have repeated multiple times -- people who live in suburbs are not themselves immoral just because they live in a suburb (even if it's a sprawling one).
Does anyone mind that I don't care if suburbanites get upset when I talk about how much I like living in cities?
Seems reasonable. And rest assured, suburbanites don't care if urbanites get upset when they talk about how much they like living in the suburbs. To each their own.
For what I hope is the LAST time, I never said such thing!! I live in a suburb, for goodness sake. I said that continuing to encourage new, sprawling auto-dependent suburbs was an ethical issue. It's wasteful, and we can't sustain it, whether fiscally or environmentally. CLEARLY not all suburbs fit into that model, and -- as I have repeated multiple times -- people who live in suburbs are not themselves immoral just because they live in a suburb (even if it's a sprawling one).
And just what, or really, WHO is encouraging these suburbs? It is absolutely impossible to talk about morals and ethics w/o talking about people. That is the problem. That's why you'd do well to take HUTD's advice and drop the morality play, and just debate the issues.
Applebees or Chili's could used more processed and modified foods than an independent restaurant, though not necessarily. Everything comes in frozen, prepackaged, etc. It is really not high quality stuff, but quality control and maintaining freshness is more systematic and is more likely to be effective at chains, I think. (I worked in kitchens for years, some independent, some chains). Anyway - a matter of personal preference.
Exactly. I have no doubt that the local independent Mexican restaurant I frequent makes its margaritas from a mix, and that the new independent diner in the neighborhood buys all sorts of packaged stuff from Sysco, Kraft and other food services.
And just what, or really, WHO is encouraging these suburbs? It is absolutely impossible to talk about morals and ethics w/o talking about people. That is the problem. That's why you'd do well to take HUTD's advice and drop the morality play, and just debate the issues.
I don't think policy is necessarily a "who," so we could talk about that - right?
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