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Old 01-02-2012, 11:31 AM
 
Location: The better side of the Mason-Dixon Line
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Default Do you think a better central city is correlated usually with worse suburbs?

Where do you live and do you think a better downtwon area/inner city usually correlates with worse suburbs?

In both Baltimore and Washington, D.C. this is definitely the case. As both cities have "Regentrified" it has pushed crime, drugs, and illegal immigrants and Section 8 people out into surrounding areas. Drops in crime downtown are correlated with increases in suburban areas. The building of mass transit into the burbs has also done much to increase crime here.

Has any inner city gentrified without simplying pushing its problems into its surroundings?
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:00 PM
 
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No, Boston is one of the Best central cities and has some of the Best suburbs.
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:03 PM
 
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Where do you live and do you think a better downtwon area/inner city usually correlates with worse suburbs?

In both Baltimore and Washington, D.C. this is definitely the case. As both cities have "Regentrified" it has pushed crime, drugs, and illegal immigrants and Section 8 people out into surrounding areas. Drops in crime downtown are correlated with increases in suburban areas. The building of mass transit into the burbs has also done much to increase crime here.

Has any inner city gentrified without simplying pushing its problems into its surroundings?
I have a post about this. Cities are seeing a renaissance, while suburbs are generally seeing a decline, especially far flung ones and ones that sprawl.

Suburbs that are making themselves more like cities are thriving too.

We are in the beginning of a new era.
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:14 PM
 
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Where do you live and do you think a better downtwon area/inner city usually correlates with worse suburbs?

In both Baltimore and Washington, D.C. this is definitely the case. As both cities have "Regentrified" it has pushed crime, drugs, and illegal immigrants and Section 8 people out into surrounding areas. Drops in crime downtown are correlated with increases in suburban areas. The building of mass transit into the burbs has also done much to increase crime here.
You're painting a broad brush on things, which is only partly true. In the DC area, some suburbs have declined (like the Md suburbs immediately to the east of DC), while other suburbs are doing well or have improved greatly over the years. Also, Howard County (Baltimore area) is the most affluent in Maryland. Therefore, it's a very mixed picture.

However, I'd say you do need to earn a high income to live well here these days. There's just no getting around that.

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Old 01-02-2012, 12:29 PM
 
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I have a post about this. Cities are seeing a renaissance, while suburbs are generally seeing a decline, especially far flung ones and ones that sprawl.

Suburbs that are making themselves more like cities are thriving too.

We are in the beginning of a new era.
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...............Income Per Capita .......Poverty..... Density (ppsm)
Sherborn, MA $129,623 .................2.4%......... 263.6

Hartford, Ct ...$24,820................. 30% ...........7,025.4


Which is in Better shape?
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:36 PM
 
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...............Income Per Capita .......Poverty..... Density (ppsm)
Sherborn, MA $129,623 .................2.4%......... 263.6

Hartford, Ct ...$24,820................. 30% ...........7,025.4


Which is in Better shape?
*sigh*

You dont get it.

First that is one example, and an extreme one. I am talking about all suburbs and cities just not Hartford. Next, most suburbs dont have such a high per capita income. If you think Sherborn or Loudon are typical American suburbs than you are very ignorant my friend.

Extremley wealthy suburbs, which are probably 1% of all suburbs should be fine. The 99% of normal suburbs are in a process of decline that started a few years ago. It is going to take some time, at least a decade but probably several, for the process to complete itself.

Suburbs will generally associated with poverty, unemployment, crime, and hopelessness. Some extremely rich ones, ones that embrace smart growth, ones with good public transport, or ones very close to urban cores should be fine.
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Old 01-02-2012, 03:43 PM
 
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No, Boston is one of the Best central cities and has some of the Best suburbs.
And some of the best public transit...
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Old 01-03-2012, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, MD
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You're painting a broad brush on things, which is only partly true. In the DC area, some suburbs have declined (like the Md suburbs immediately to the east of DC), while other suburbs are doing well or have improved greatly over the years. Also, Howard County (Baltimore area) is the most affluent in Maryland. Therefore, it's a very mixed picture.

However, I'd say you do need to earn a high income to live well here these days. There's just no getting around that.
It's not really too broad a brush. On the whole, there is no doubt the DC suburbs have gotten worse while DC has gotten better.
Some suburban areas have improved but thats few and far between. The murder rate has skyrocketed in PG county and almost equals DC. Gaithersburg and Germantown are way worse than they were 10 years ago. When a city gentrifies, it pushes poor people out and they have to go somewhere, they most likely end up in a suburb closest to where they lived. Thats going to happen all over the US. In Europe, most large cities have their inner city as the most expensive and the ghettos are on the outskirts, the US is just becoming more like Europe because public transportation is really taking off.
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Old 01-05-2012, 08:30 PM
 
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It's not really too broad a brush. On the whole, there is no doubt the DC suburbs have gotten worse while DC has gotten better.
Some suburban areas have improved but thats few and far between. The murder rate has skyrocketed in PG county and almost equals DC. Gaithersburg and Germantown are way worse than they were 10 years ago. When a city gentrifies, it pushes poor people out and they have to go somewhere, they most likely end up in a suburb closest to where they lived. Thats going to happen all over the US. In Europe, most large cities have their inner city as the most expensive and the ghettos are on the outskirts, the US is just becoming more like Europe because public transportation is really taking off.
The murder rate didn't exactly skyrocket. If not for the spike early in the year it would've finished like last year's 88 or less. This year is 93. Back in 07 there were 173 so it's still trending down.
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Old 01-06-2012, 06:10 AM
 
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Yes, what happened to the DC suburbs? Everyone says they are so affluent, but that is lying with statistics. There is a core 10% of people who make millions which gives the impression that everyone is rich but in reality an ever increasing number of people in the Washington DC suburbs are poor. Their wages (income) may be higher than people in lower cost areas but because housing is so expensive the average middle class person in the DC suburbs is really struggling far more than the typical person is a regular town like Nashville or Tulsa.
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