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So you cant refute any of the data that Ive posted, so instead you focus on the word 'trashes'...LOL
Typical kidphilly. LOL
What's with the ad hominem attacks, guy?
You can go by a pretty large number of stats, like wikipedia's collection of world/global city rankings and see that Boston and SF sort of alternate positions. LA usually comes out ahead of both of them overall and DC usually slightly behind them and then Philly behind that. Unsurprisingly, NYC comes out ahead of all. There's no real "trashing" going on for either side except for very specific categories (like diplomatic missions for DC, higher ed and life sciences for Boston, venture capital for the Bay Area, film production for LA, etc.).
If you take those areas out of Chicago, Chicago still has nice neighborhoods.On the North Side you have Rogers Park and Uptown. The West Side you have Logan Square,University Village and Pilsen. The South Side has Hyde Park and gentrifying neighborhoods from the South Loop to Washington Park. Even if you take the key neighborhoods out of a city , Chicago does pretty compared to other cities.
Perhaps Bajan has made his point too well... There's really no point in throwing NYC into this discussion anymore because at this point any argument just sounds like gloating / b*tching (depending on which side is posting).
It is a much more interesting conversation finding out which other cities are most urban with their "Manhattans" eliminated.
-One nitpick-y thing... Pasadena is in no way part of LA's "Manhattan". LA's is the area bounded by the 101 on the NE, Santa Monica Mountains on the North, 10 Freeway on the South, Pacific on the West (though this area is much larger than Manhattan and cuts out way more area / leaves way less area).
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If you take those areas out of Chicago, Chicago still has nice neighborhoods.On the North Side you have Rogers Park and Uptown. The West Side you have Logan Square,University Village and Pilsen. The South Side has Hyde Park and gentrifying neighborhoods from the South Loop to Washington Park. Even if you take the key neighborhoods out of a city , Chicago does pretty compared to other cities.
But I think this is the point, so does BK and actually more in the comparison with the core areas removed. End of the day none act in isolation so is mostly not any form of a realistic comparsion. BK is very urban as is Chicago. The nabes of BK are probably moreso in aggregate when compared to mostly any other place in this regard. Both have tremendous urban neighborhood offerings none the less
Perhaps Bajan has made his point too well... There's really no point in throwing NYC into this discussion anymore because at this point any argument just sounds like gloating / b*tching (depending on which side is posting).
It is a much more interesting conversation finding out which other cities are most urban with their "Manhattans" eliminated.
-One nitpick-y thing... Pasadena is in no way part of LA's "Manhattan". LA's is the area bounded by the 101 on the NE, Santa Monica Mountains on the North, 10 Freeway on the South, Pacific on the West (though this area is much larger than Manhattan and cuts out way more area / leaves way less area).
After NYC
LA and Chicago have the next largest urban footprint (to me this is the above 10K ppsm area) folowed by Philly, then SF , then Boston not all that suprising
If we want to engage in a snob war (which Montclair really seems to enjoy), we can just point out that Harvard (twice the endowment of Stanford), Princeton (smaller school but larger endowment than Stanford), Yale (larger endowment than Stanford), Columbia (twice the endowment of USC), UPenn (twice the endowment of Berkeley), Brown University (larger endowment than UCLA), Cornell, Dartmouth, M.I.T., Johns Hopkins, the U.S. Naval Academy, West Point, NYU, Tufts, and Georgetown are all on the East Coast. That's way more money, way more political influence, and way more prestige than the West Coast could ever hope for. I'm sure I've even left some very good schools off the list.
Best museums...over here.
The premier boarding schools (Exeter, Andover, etc.) are on the EC.
The East Coast (DC, MD, DE, PA, NJ, NY, CT, RI, MA) has a larger GDP than California, Oregon and Washington combined (but have far less land area).
Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket Island still remain the premier summer destinations for America's elite.
The power (DC) and money (NYC) are on this side. As well as fashion, publishing, journalism, etc.
All of the "serious" and "intellectual" publications in the country (i.e., The New York Times, the New Yorker, the Atlantic, the Wall Street Journal, Foreign Policy) come from the East Coast. The L.A. Times and the San Francisco _______ are not national publications.
The only Sotheby's and Christie's showrooms are on the East Coast.
Then if we want to engage in all out status-whoring, there's the EC aristocracy (the Kennedys, the Roosevelts, the Rockfellers, the Carnegies, the Bushes, etc.). And the EC is better connected to Europe and all of its cosmpolitanism.
But why anyone would really care about this is beyond me. This is like bragging about all of the money and chicks that professional athletes score.
If we want to engage in a snob war (which Montclair really seems to enjoy), we can just point out that Harvard (twice the endowment of Stanford), Princeton (smaller school but larger endowment than Stanford), Yale (larger endowment than Stanford), Columbia (twice the endowment of USC), UPenn (twice the endowment of Berkeley), Brown University (larger endowment than UCLA), Cornell, Dartmouth, M.I.T., Johns Hopkins, the U.S. Naval Academy, West Point, NYU, Tufts, and Georgetown are all on the East Coast. That's way more money, way more political influence, and way more prestige than the West Coast could ever hope for. I'm sure I've even left some very good schools off the list.
Best museums...over here.
The premier boarding schools (Exeter, Andover, etc.) are on the EC.
The East Coast (DC, MD, DE, PA, NJ, NY, CT, RI, MA) has a larger GDP than California, Oregon and Washington combined (but have far less land area).
Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket Island still remain the premier summer destinations for America's elite.
The power (DC) and money (NYC) are on this side. As well as fashion, publishing, journalism, etc.
All of the "serious" and "intellectual" publications in the country (i.e., The New York Times, the New Yorker, the Atlantic, the Wall Street Journal, Foreign Policy) come from the East Coast. The L.A. Times and the San Francisco _______ are not national publications.
The only Sotheby's and Christie's showrooms are on the East Coast.
Then if we want to engage in all out status-whoring, there's the EC aristocracy (the Kennedys, the Roosevelts, the Rockfellers, the Carnegies, the Bushes, etc.). And the EC is better connected to Europe and all of its cosmpolitanism.
But why anyone would really care about this is beyond me. This is like bragging about all of the money and chicks that professional athletes score.
this is very ture, none of this anywhere impacts the individual (unless it is them directly)but is more an influence and attribute of space. People are not better because of where they are from, its who they are regardless of location
Google is right down the street, I can see the white house from my apt, I watch wall street high rollers walk by me to work, I saw a movie star at dinner last night, my city has more global index brands it must be a reflection of me... great, am happy for you.
I love my neighborhood because it best suits me, well that is actually far more tangible to me
lol well put, Bajan....that's all i was saying, Cali people...can't compete in a snob war...its not even remotely close...
I don't see why he cares so much about that stuff. Mitt Romney's fortune has no effect on my life at all. I can't enjoy his billions. Subways, restaurants, vibrant neighborhoods, and museums, on the other hand, are something I can access and enjoy.
Google is right down the street, I can see the white house from my apt, I watch wall street high rollers walk by me to work, I saw a movie star at dinner last night, my city has more global index brands it must be a reflection of me... great, am happy for you.
Yea, agreed unless you're one of the "Masters of the Universe" (probably not posting here) I don't see how it matters.
Yea, agreed unless you're one of the "Masters of the Universe" (probably not posting here) I don't see how it matters.
You never know. Montclair may brief the President at Camp David on Mondays, then travel to Kennebunkport for a round of golf with the NSC, then lecture at Princeton on Wednesday, all before heading back to the West Coast to meet with Peter Thiel about the next startup he'll invest his $100 million nest egg into. Naturally, he sits on the Board of Trustees for Stanford, the de Young Museum and the Mellon Foundation.
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