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Old 09-05-2012, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Urban Growth Boundaries are the wave of the future or better yet, "Should be the wave of the future". I know Portland has urban growth boundaries and the DC/Baltimore area has "PLAN Maryland" which will legally restrict all growth in Maryland to the area between DC and Baltimore acting like urban growth boundaries. What other region's are passing urban growth boundaries? What region's are set up best to grow sustainably going forward through development restrictions?
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Old Hyde Park, Kansas City,MO
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Probably none of them
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Old 09-05-2012, 03:49 PM
 
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Probably none of them
I like this answer.
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Old 09-05-2012, 11:25 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Probably none of them
That pretty sad. So you think Portland and the DC/Baltimore area are the only areas that will grow smartly through restrictions and legislation in the forseable future? I'm sure there are other cities that have the political will to pass similar legislation at the state level don't you?
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Old 09-06-2012, 05:24 AM
 
Location: NYC
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That pretty sad. So you think Portland and the DC/Baltimore area are the only areas that will grow smartly through restrictions and legislation in the forseable future? I'm sure there are other cities that have the political will to pass similar legislation at the state level don't you?
Urban growth boundaries are present in a lot of states. Maryland was one of the first. However I prefer Oregon's application of the principle to Maryland's, which seems to centralized. It is a small state, but many outside the Baltimore-DC Metro feel they have no stake in it.
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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That pretty sad. So you think Portland and the DC/Baltimore area are the only areas that will grow smartly through restrictions and legislation in the forseable future? I'm sure there are other cities that have the political will to pass similar legislation at the state level don't you?
I'm curious why you think Portland is growing smartly when 98% of domestic (as in US migration) growth has been outside of the urban growth boundary with a net exodus from the core.

http://www.demographia.com/db-porugbmigr.pdf

http://urizen-geography.nsm.du.edu/~...B_Portland.pdf
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Knaap (2000) also argues that if
Portland is defined by the UGB, then it has
grown by only 1.2 per cent in the past 20
years. However, if all urban footprints are
included, then Portland has grown by about
29 per cent.
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:07 AM
 
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Urban growth boundaries are a bad idea to begin with.
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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I'm curious why you think Portland is growing smartly when 98% of domestic (as in US migration) growth has been outside of the urban growth boundary with a net exodus from the core.

http://www.demographia.com/db-porugbmigr.pdf

http://urizen-geography.nsm.du.edu/~...B_Portland.pdf

Well, I think the state has more power over development than region's, especially when it comes to grass field development. If the state withholds money for infrastructure like Maryland has done from all grass field developments forcing developers to build infill development, it successfully funnels growth to urban area's.
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:01 AM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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I'm curious why you think Portland is growing smartly when 98% of domestic (as in US migration) growth has been outside of the urban growth boundary with a net exodus from the core.

http://www.demographia.com/db-porugbmigr.pdf

http://urizen-geography.nsm.du.edu/~...B_Portland.pdf
Portland grew by 10% in the last decade.
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Centre Wellington, ON
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I'm curious why you think Portland is growing smartly when 98% of domestic (as in US migration) growth has been outside of the urban growth boundary with a net exodus from the core.

http://www.demographia.com/db-porugbmigr.pdf

http://urizen-geography.nsm.du.edu/~psutton/AAA_Sutton_WebPage/Sutton/Courses/Geog_4020_Geographic_Research_Methodology/SeminalGeographyPapers/UGB_Portland.pdf
It's pretty surprising that there's such a huge difference between domestic migration patterns and overall growth though. The net growth inside the 3 urban growth boundary counties from 1990 to 2010 was 466,745 (+39.7%) compared to 235,523 (+67.4%) for the outer counties of the MSA.

Ontario's government created the Greenbelt a few years ago that acts as a growth boundary. It goes pretty far out, so there's little risk of leap frog development, other than a bit NW of Newmarket and around Cambridge and Guelph... but those areas are far from Toronto, so the increase in growth there is relatively small. It also covers nearby cities outside the MSA like Oshawa, Hamilton and St Catharines.


You can see that there is a fair bit of greenfield land inside the greenbelt (I think Portland is the same), but that doesn't mean it will be developed. A new policy asks Ontario's equivalent of counties to have at least 40% of their growth through intensification. However, if the City of Toronto continues to grow at it's current pace, because Toronto is like it's own county and has no greenfields left, that would amount to about 53% of growth in the MSA as intensification. In addition to that, greenfield development would have to have a density of 20 residents+jobs per acre.
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