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Old 02-18-2013, 05:24 PM
 
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Well, the good news is that we all have choices. You can choose to not have a car, I can choose to own and enjoy a car.

Simple, isn't it?
New urbanists don't want people to have choices. They know what is best for everyone and, by God, you will submit.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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New urbanists don't want people to have choices. They know what is best for everyone and, by God, you will submit.
I suppose there are some extremists that want to take everyone's cars.

But for the most part this is just extreme hyperbole.
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Default Ah, finally you have explained yourself.

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It's gotten to the point with me, that I really, truly have a phobia about being in them. I have no problem walking or riding a bike in the rain or sub-zero temps, but to ride or drive in a car in traffic is very unpleasant. I guess the same way a car person would feel about purposely setting out in the rain.
Now I understand you. In a couple of other threads about car usage, I asked repeatedly for explanations of your anti-car rants without ever receiving any. No one can argue with your sentences which I placed in bold above. That is the reality for you. Personally I cannot relate to it, but that is irrelevant. I was bitten by a dog at age three and was afraid of dogs from that day forward. Irrational? I suppose so, but it is what it is and I don't expect other people to be able to relate to it. However, I don't post in public internet forums to the effect that dogs are evil and that not having one is a wonderful freedom. I offer that as an analogy to your car phobia. It is what it is. I seriously doubt that you ever sat down in a calm mood, weighed up pros and cons, and decided in a rational manner that you were going to feel uncomfortable driving a car or riding in one, just like I never "decided" I was not going to enjoy being around dogs.

I totally respect and understand your choice to be car-free. But what I neither respect nor understand is the emotionally over-loaded language you directed against car ownership, not in this thread, but in two other threads in this same Urban Planning forum.
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:08 AM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes NH.
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New Urbanism is organic and is evolving to meet the financial, legal, and cultural realities as opposed to a Utopian clean slate ideal. The following link has some great podcasts from notable speakers. I found this resource by accident and plan to travel next week to see Andres Duany, who many consider the father of new urbanism, speak about The Agrarian City. Duany recently stunned the crowd in Miami when he advocated minimalism and incrementalism over grand plans due to realities of impoverishment and climate change.

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Old 02-19-2013, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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New urbanists don't want people to have choices.
They know what is best for everyone and, by God, you will submit.
Car-'sole ?

In AMerica, after spending trillions on a mistake, the Car dependent want the subsidies to continue.

Do you really think that 5% of the world's population can go on using 20-25% of the world's oil?
Not when its power is on the slide.
Get real, my friend. You are living in the past. It doesn't work anymore
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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Duany recently stunned the crowd in Miami when he advocated minimalism and incrementalism over grand plans due to realities of impoverishment and climate change.

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Truly, he's an amazing guy - willing to keep changing
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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... I neither respect nor understand is the emotionally over-loaded language you directed against car ownership, not in this thread, but in two other threads in this same Urban Planning forum.
He probably got fed up with the C'ARrogance that he found at every turn in the road
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Car-'sole ?

In AMerica, after spending trillions on a mistake, the Car dependent want the subsidies to continue.

Do you really think that 5% of the world's population can go on using 20-25% of the world's oil?
Not when its power is on the slide.
Get real, my friend. You are living in the past. It doesn't work anymore
Well the real problem is going to be when countries like China and India develop a middle class at the same proportions we had in the 60s-80s, and they all start demanding cars.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Bike to Surf!
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I lived car-lite in LA for years with the help of a basic bicycle. The roads are wide and laid out in a sensible grid pattern. The weather is wonderful for cycling year-round. You can easily string together the far-flung public transit using a bicycle, or toss your bike on the bus during the rare rainy days. If you have to drive, you just plan around traffic and don't be on the fwy within 60 miles of downtown during business hours.

Meanwhile, you can dust your car off on weekends or random afternoons to go to a beach party, world-class skiing, clubs, Vegas, or any of the thousands of other great things to do in the SoCal area.

NYC is a different story. It's fine for 6-8 months of the year, but during the winter it's misery. The trains are ok, but waiting out on the frozen elevated platforms or having to hike through the ice and snow once you get out of the subway is awful. I see why everybody's so uptight there. I'd be angry a lot of the time if I had to wear arctic survival gear just to go out and buy a quart of milk too.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:29 PM
 
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Car-'sole ?

In AMerica, after spending trillions on a mistake, the Car dependent want the subsidies to continue.

Do you really think that 5% of the world's population can go on using 20-25% of the world's oil?
Not when its power is on the slide.
Get real, my friend. You are living in the past. It doesn't work anymore
This is a reality that most Americans choose to ignore.
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