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Old 12-28-2012, 04:52 AM
 
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Like many other towns, Las Vegas is not designed for pedestrian travel. Just try crossing that street, as a pedestrian, there is not enough time for a person to cross a large intersection.

At least, there is a sidewalk, many places don't even have one.
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:53 AM
 
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The California minimum sidewalk is 4 feet, though most places try to provide more.

The planting strip between the roadway and the sidewalk can provide a barrier in the form of plants. More importantly, it's a psychological barrier that makes people willing to walk in the first place.

One problem in these kind of suburbs is that there actually aren't enough roads. To save money, developers and municipalities don't build local streets so huge amounts of traffic get funneled onto these massive high speed roads. Future subdivisions need to be built with more of a local road network or, alternatively, a bike/ped pathway network (though those can raise personal safety concerns).

A related problem is the walls around those subdivisions. Those walls mean that you can't come out of the subdivision (via any mode) near where you live, you've got to go a long way to the exits. That's really bad if you're walking, not good if you're riding a bike or trying to catch a bus. If subdivisions at least had cut throughs, if not streets, this problem could be solved.

I frankly hope we don't see too many more places like this getting built, but if they are they could be better.
Not enough roads is an interesting viewpoint. Somewhat counter-intuitive. But, it feels like a inefficient answer to the walkability question; cars get less efficient roadways, pedestrians don't get superior sidewalks (much less protected pathways).

The inability to walk from A to B because of exterior walls and a lack of paths between streets is a known negative for walkability.
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:54 PM
 
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Not enough roads is an interesting viewpoint. Somewhat counter-intuitive. But, it feels like a inefficient answer to the walkability question; cars get less efficient roadways, pedestrians don't get superior sidewalks (much less protected pathways).

The inability to walk from A to B because of exterior walls and a lack of paths between streets is a known negative for walkability.
It would be more precise to say not enough pedestrian pathways, you're right. I say roads because generally that's where the pedestrian paths also are, but it is possible to construct a denser network of pedestrian paths.
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Old 12-29-2012, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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I'm not trying to invalidate the point being made, but I do think a stroller can make it around on the right side of those poles. But yes, very poor sidewalk design.
And more important (legally?) than a stroller is whether a wheelchair fits and to me it looks like it does. Older sidewalks may not always fit them.
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Old 12-29-2012, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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That looks like a pretty common street out in the 'burbs here.
I was gonna say that it looks like what I see in most newer areas of the SW. Out here I see lots of that in Orange County. With the wall and everything.
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Old 12-29-2012, 08:14 PM
 
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I was gonna say that it looks like what I see in most newer areas of the SW. Out here I see lots of that in Orange County. With the wall and everything.
True, sadly. Do you walk along such streets much? Is it enjoyable?
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Old 12-29-2012, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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True, sadly. Do you walk along such streets much? Is it enjoyable?
No, I don't and I can't imagine that it would be. Better than lots of the sunbelt though where many streets don't have sidewalks at all. Especially the southeast.
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Old 12-30-2012, 11:53 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Poorly designed sidewalks way out in the suburbs is one thing, but imagine having to deal with this in what is a relatively dense urban area, while walking from the Metrorail station to the ballpark Needless to say, most people just drive.
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:00 AM
 
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Hell, as a frequent walker I'm just glad if I can find a sidewalk most of the time.
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Old 01-06-2013, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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Hell, as a frequent walker I'm just glad if I can find a sidewalk most of the time.
I was going to say the same thing about where I live. I can show you parts of Portland that have no sidewalks at all. Good luck if you want to take a stroll in some parts of the city.
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