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Old 02-01-2013, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Cars are a freedom more than a restriction. If that weren't the case, and it may not be one day, there wouldn't be more and more miles driven every year...

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Old 02-01-2013, 11:04 AM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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Cars are a freedom more than a restriction. If that weren't the case, and it may not be one day, there wouldn't be more and more miles driven every year...
Cool graph. Ain't it leveling off, though?
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Cool graph. Ain't it leveling off, though?
That day has come - miles driven are going down. Might be due to the recession and high gas prices but we'll see I guess.
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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That day has come - miles driven are going down. Might be due to the recession and high gas prices but we'll see I guess.
I noticed that and I'd be happy if the trend does change. But I think it's a little early to declare cars are a restriction more than a freedom no?
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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I noticed that and I'd be happy if the trend does change. But I think it's a little early to declare cars are a restriction more than a freedom no?

Well considering I never said that and just pointed out the clearly obvious... Yeah generally the car is a freedom. Car-dependence however, is not freedom (IMO neither is transit dependence).
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:14 AM
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Location: Long Island / NYC
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Well considering I never said that and just pointed out the clearly obvious... Yeah generally the car is a freedom. Car-dependence however, is not freedom (IMO neither is transit dependence).
Perhaps the way to judge which gives more freedom, is you had to chose between only having a car and only using transit, which would you rather have. (While still having to pay for gas, parking or transit pass)
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:15 AM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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Perhaps the way to judge which gives more freedom, is you had to chose between only having a car and only using transit, which would you rather have. (While still having to pay for gas, parking or transit pass)
Only owning a car? Or is rental a possibility?
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Perhaps the way to judge which gives more freedom, is you had to chose between only having a car and only using transit, which would you rather have. (While still having to pay for gas, parking or transit pass)
Wow that is a tough decision...

Initially I want to say transit, but there are things I like to do around LA that require the use of the car (if transit includes renting cars, then transit easily). However I enjoy recreational activities that preclude the use of a car, so being totally dependent on it would feel very limiting. I suppose I could just hoof it home or wherever I am off to in those situations (or I could just break the law).
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Perhaps the way to judge which gives more freedom, is you had to chose between only having a car and only using transit, which would you rather have. (While still having to pay for gas, parking or transit pass)
Fortunately, you don't have to. It seems a silly mental excercise that isn't very informative about the issue. It's like those if you could only eat one type of meat, which meat would you choose arguments. Except instead of inevitably discussing something useful like which meat (or method of transportation) is more versatile, we've made it even more facetious. Which meat, chicken, hamburger, or salmon provides the most freedom? Uh. Fortunately, we all have the freedom to choose based on what is best for us in a given situation. I bought a big pack of hamburger on sale and I'm at this point kind of sick of hamburger. So maybe its chicken or vegetarian tonight. That doesn't mean hamburger is a debilitating illness. It just means I'm tired of hamburger. Maybe I want to mix it up. Someone else might really love hamburger and totally be willing to commute 40 miles to work everyday to get it.
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Perhaps the way to judge which gives more freedom, is you had to chose between only having a car and only using transit, which would you rather have. (While still having to pay for gas, parking or transit pass)
Not even close. Transit doesn't take me to any of the places I need/want to go, unless I want to take a train and two buses to work every day in a 90-minute trip; three buses if I want to wind up within a quarter-mile of my office.

Which I don't.

Or, I could hop in my car and drive to work in 35 minutes.

Suppose I decide to visit family and friends in Erie. I could take two trains to the airport and fly, or one train to the Greyhound station (the entire trip will take about 10+ hours), then take the bus across town to my mother's house. But then I'm stuck unless I borrow her car or rent a car, or unless I want to go somewhere where the buses go.

Which I don't.

Or, I could hop in my car and drive to Erie, and use my car to get to all the places I want to go, including friends who own a vineyard that's not on the bus line ...
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