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Old 02-01-2013, 04:51 PM
 
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Freedom for me. I like to cruise around town if I so please or visit my parents. They don't have bus routes to my parents 25 miles away. Gas kills me, but ill gladly pay then to ride a bus and plan my daily routine around the 2:30pm bus stop.
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Old 02-01-2013, 04:55 PM
 
Location: North by Northwest
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I really don't think Zipcar requires much planning ahead. Maybe 10 minutes?
Depends on how close you are to a zip car and how high the ridership is in a given area. Here, there aren't a ton, so you'll usually get what you want if you make arrangements at least a few hours ahead of time (plus time required to get to the car).
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Freedom!

You can go where you want and when you want without having to wait on a bus or something. It's also private. The only restriction is the cost of gas but we can't have everything.
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:37 PM
 
Location: plano
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Basically, this was from a thread in the Politics forum about 'Newspeak' (I would recomend reading that thread first) Link her: http://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...l#post27924918

So what do you think, agree or disagree that car dependency is a freedom?
Its a freedom to most of the country..
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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Freedom!

You can go where you want and when you want without having to wait in your privacy. The only restriction is the cost of gas but we can't have everything.
And insurance. And possibly parking (depending on where you are), and possibly every once in awhile a parking ticket or speeding ticket (doesn't happen much though), and possibly once a year motor oil and windshield wiper fluid. Then of course maybe once a year you get a car checkup.

It really depends on where you are. In most US places, you absolutely need a car. In other cities, not needed. I live downtown Chicago and do I need a car? Hell ****ing no. Do I love to drive? Hell ****ing yes. But I'd rather save that money and go on amazing vacations, or go out more, see more entertainment ****, etc.

Pretend I can walk everywhere, take the train/bus everywhere. I pay $80/month for this (that's about what I pay in Chicago currently). Pretend now I buy a $3000 car, pay $50/month in insurance and pay $30/month in gas. I would literally never "break even" in my lifetime from the car versus if I didn't own it and didn't have to. This isn't even figuring in parking fees ($180/month in my building minimum) or buying motor oil or windshield wiper fluid every once in awhile. Pretend I take a few cab rides though instead, then it takes 147 months for this to even out, or 12 years and 3 months. I bet I'd be on another car by then, so..you know..

Just think of what you can do with all that saved money. You can do quite a bit. It's too bad more cities aren't as "urban." People who need to could save a lot of money and use it for other things, like vacationing in exotic places.
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Old 02-01-2013, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Pretend now I can get the car share for $20 each time I do this. That's $80/month and you're saving yourself $230/month
You forgot the monthly or annual membership fee.

I find it troubling that you don't have to have even liability insurance. I'd never get behind the wheel without it.
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:58 PM
 
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You forgot the monthly or annual membership fee.

I find it troubling that you don't have to have even liability insurance. I'd never get behind the wheel without it.
Monthly membership fees tend to be VERY small -- here in Minneapolis, the local option offers a $5 monthly plan, and does include liability insurance (up to a million bucks, $500 deductible). When we were in San Francisco one of the local options started at $10/month, and also have an annual membership as little as $50/yr. Not sure how much liability insurance their option included (amount of liability insurance included also varies by specific carshare company) -- but when we were non-car-owners in CA we bought a very cheap annual non-owner policy. The car share prices also include gas. Car sharing doesn't make sense if you do a lot of driving, but it's a great financial option for many of those who don't use a car for work.
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:41 PM
 
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A car is not freedom if you're not considered a real adult without one.
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Old 02-02-2013, 01:58 AM
 
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A car is not freedom if you're not considered a real adult without one.
I have seen non-car people stigmatized as "DUI".
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Old 02-02-2013, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Ubique
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When I first moved to Manhattan from Queens, I ditched the car. Found it very restricting without one for three months. Got a car since. Can't be without it. I pay about $ 100/ month for insurance plus gas and service. Park on the street, just like many new $ 100k Benzes. No parking tickets for the last 6-7 years.
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