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Old 02-08-2013, 10:28 AM
 
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I have been following your posts through this thread, Minervah, and its a shame I can only rep you once.
I got a laff out of the post a few hundred pages back that said people like us have just never driven a nice car before. Ha ha People I know really dont understand that my (t)rusty old single speed bike is worth more to me than any bourgie-mobile. Total freedom, and away from all the negative stuff that has been a huge factor in the dehumanization process of our society
Ever seen the movie Omega Man thunderkat? You'd make a fine Brother Matthias.
"They are slaves to the wheel, to the evil machines. They use the forbidden tools, and are not of the family."


Just don't start demanding that "we must cleanse them, cleanse them with fire" on us now. The cleansing part is when the anti-technology cults always start to go south.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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I have been following your posts through this thread, Minervah, and its a shame I can only rep you once.
I got a laff out of the post a few hundred pages back that said people like us have just never driven a nice car before. Ha ha People I know really dont understand that my (t)rusty old single speed bike is worth more to me than any bourgie-mobile. Total freedom, and away from all the negative stuff that has been a huge factor in the dehumanization process of our society
Aha! Now I am beginning to understand where you are coming from. The "bourgie-mobile" phrase is a give-away. It's about class. You resent the middle class. I smell envy and jealousy lurking there in the background. What you can't afford must be evil.

I know a lot about cycling. For about ten years it was a major hobby of mine, although I always still owned a car during that time, of course. My ex-wife and I rode our bicycles from Seattle to Los Angeles one summer, taking three weeks and averaging 75 miles a day. It was a fantastic vacation. We were in great physical shape.

As for the "total freedom" claim which you make about your bicycle, it is simply not true. When it is pouring down rain, I am the one who has total freedom to remain dry and warm inside my car. When it is 105 degrees Fahrenheit outside I am the one who has total freedom to remain comfortable and to avoid dehydration inside my car. When I want to visit my cousin who lives about 70 miles away, I am the one who has total freedom to do that in a day trip in my car, as 140 miles round-trip in one day on a bicycle is not really practical.

It's quite incredible how you can take the truth, turn it around 180 degrees, and then claim the falsehood as your truth. For you, up is down, right is left, left is right, and the concrete is the abstract! Wow! Can you really be serious, or are you just enjoying riling people up with your nonsense?
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:01 PM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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Aha! Now I am beginning to understand where you are coming from. The "bourgie-mobile" phrase is a give-away. It's about class. You resent the middle class. I smell envy and jealousy lurking there in the background. What you can't afford must be evil.
I've always found accusations of envy and jealousy far more egregious than incendiary hyperbole, but that's just me.
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Default Now this I can understand and respect.

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I just don't get why it is so difficult for some people to understand why other people, admittedly very few, just do not choose to drive.
Minervah, I seem to remember you speaking about your aversion to driving in another thread - probably in another forum - some time ago. If I recall correctly - and please correct me if my memory is playing tricks - you have a phobia about driving. You just feel uncomfortable, very uncomfortable, when behind the wheel.

Who can argue with that? Phobias are common, and people who have them often realize that they aren't rational but still cannot put them aside. When I was three years old I was bitten by a dog and I remained afraid of dogs from that day forward. Although I would be curious if you know the source of your own phobia about driving, it doesn't really matter for the purpose of this thread topic.

No one can legitimately criticize you for avoiding a zone of deep personal discomfort. Wouldn't we all do the same? At least you aren't rationalizing it by claiming "total freedom" through not having a car. You have freedom from your discomfort, and that is justification enough. You are not scapegoating cars as the major source of evil and of everything wrong with modern society because you are too honest to do that.

I respect your choice not to drive, even though I have loved driving from age 16 to the present, more than 50 years later. I couldn't wait to start driving, and I know that if I ever have to give it up my quality of life will take a major, major hit.
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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I've always found accusations of envy and jealousy far more egregious than incendiary hyperbole, but that's just me.
Well, I respect your opinion, which differs from mine. But I am curious how you would interpret the "bourgie-mobile" remark?
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:21 PM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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""Committing low-level assaults". I am 68 and have been driving since I was 16. I have never committed a low-level assault on anyone with a motor vehicle. Yes, I have read in the newspapers about road rage incidents, and I would join you in condemning those hostile and immature jerks. But what does that have to do with car usage per se? The perpertrators would be just as hostile and immature without their cars. "

speaking as a driver, a cyclist, and a pedestrian, I would much rather that hostile and immature jerks not be near me in half ton vehicles moving at 35MPH or more. Or even 25 MPH if they are particularly hostile and immature. If they are walking nearby, that dont bother me so much.

I suspect you are thinking of driver vs driver road rage.

on road cyclists experience a side of the driving public you may not be fully aware of.
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:26 PM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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Well, I respect your opinion, which differs from mine. But I am curious how you would interpret the "bourgie-mobile" remark?
Hyperbole, trolling? Don't really glean any envy or jealousy from the post.

Not trying to dwell on it.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Ubique
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""Committing low-level assaults". I am 68 and have been driving since I was 16. I have never committed a low-level assault on anyone with a motor vehicle. Yes, I have read in the newspapers about road rage incidents, and I would join you in condemning those hostile and immature jerks. But what does that have to do with car usage per se? The perpertrators would be just as hostile and immature without their cars. "

speaking as a driver, a cyclist, and a pedestrian, I would much rather that hostile and immature jerks not be near me in half ton vehicles moving at 35MPH or more. Or even 25 MPH if they are particularly hostile and immature. If they are walking nearby, that dont bother me so much.

I suspect you are thinking of driver vs driver road rage.

on road cyclists experience a side of the driving public you may not be fully aware of.
Cars being hostile to cyclists reminds me of high school - some boys would pick on the younger/ weaker kids. Had great pleasure in applying violent "corrective measures" against perpetrators.

I could tell by someone driving on city streets which kid he was. When we drive, we need to protect cyclists, and as cyclists we should protect pedestrians.
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Old 02-08-2013, 06:49 PM
 
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I've always found accusations of envy and jealousy far more egregious than incendiary hyperbole, but that's just me.
Thank you, HUTD!

I simply cannot see how one individual can be so far off in interpretation of very simple stuff.
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Old 02-08-2013, 06:54 PM
 
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Well, I respect your opinion, which differs from mine. But I am curious how you would interpret the "bourgie-mobile" remark?
Hi-thinking not your forte? The post makes it obvious the spirit of the phrase.
BTW, for your further efforts to misinterpret my posts and other mindnumbingly simple stuff, theres 100K+ a year coming into my household. Not a lot granted, but middle class and able to go into debt for a wide variety of cars should I ever feel the urge.
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