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Old 02-15-2013, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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Minervah,
My Wife was born and raised in Brooklyn and Manhattan, NYC. She didn't learn to drive until she was 40, and that was only because she accepted a job in a predominantly amish area of Lancaster, PA.
I am an anomaly here in the always forward thinking state that gave us Mitch McConnell because I have a car and motorcycle that sit unused for 355 days of the year. People just cannot understand why I ride a bike with a car in my driveway. At work there is suspicion of DUI's and other stuff. Sad and funny at the same time that people just cannot imagine life without a car. I cant imagine life without my cats and birds, but a car? Thats like saying you miss your last bout with the flu

LOL! Love your post. I just turned 67 on Sunday. Does anybody really want me to take up driving now?

Although I remember when I was a kid in Chicago I had a neighbor who didn't learn until he retired at age 55.
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Old 02-16-2013, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Escort Rider:

Thank you for again proving my point.
The childish, negative comment you left me off the board added a rep point. ha ha.

Irony is a cruel master.
I didn't leave you any comment off the board. There are only two ways to do that: via a rep comment or via a direct message. All my comments to you have been on the open forum.
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:07 AM
 
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In the grand scheme of things, needing a car is a form of dependency. But in day-to-day, street-level reality, that doesn't matter.

I've most of my life in Chicago. Chicago is one of the few US cities, along with New York and Boston, where owning a car is a convenience rather than a necessity. I choose not to drive because I don't have to; I have ample access to public transit.

Sadly, very few US cities are like New York or Chicago. For people living in L.A., Phoenix, Houston, Miami or a thousand other cities or towns, not having a car is crippling. People unable to drive, or unable to get someone to drive them, are almost prisoners in their own homes. For them, cars are indeed a necessity, made so by 100 years of horrible urban planning.
Yes, where you live really matters regarding needing a car. Very few areas of the entire US are densely urban with far-reaching public transportation. Most Americans need cars to get around; it is more practicality than "freedom" so to speak as to getting back to the original post.

I have lived in areas where I did not need a car and could use public transportation and walk to the store from my apartment. Sometimes I really miss that lifestyle of not dealing with a car. I now live in an area that is heavily car-dependent like it is for most Americans. Really, there is no answer that fits all, it just depends.
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Old 06-09-2013, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Laurentia
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LOL! Love your post. I just turned 67 on Sunday. Does anybody really want me to take up driving now?
I see plenty of 67-year-olds driving without incident. As long as your reflexes and eyesight are still sharp, there shouldn't be any problem, assuming that you want to learn how to drive.
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Old 06-12-2013, 02:12 AM
 
Location: Poshawa, Ontario
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The car is only a restriction.
How do you figure that?

If one lives in Toronto and a family cottage in one of the small communities surrounding Parry Sound or North Bay, how do you propose one would get there for a weekend away without a car?

If not having a vehicle is as great as you make it sound, why do so many people ask me to use my pickup truck to help them move?

I can hook up my quad or boat to my truck and in 30 minutes be fishing, hunting or four-wheeling in the wilderness away from the noise and stress of the city. You... Well, I have a feeling you probably aren't exactly sure what a quad is to begin with.

I'm not trying to pick on you particularly, but I have to say based on the other posts you have made in this forum that your "ideal" existence of living in crowded, high-density housing in a concrete city with no ready escape to a quiet lake or the solitude of the woods is as abhorrent to me as living in the squalor of the slums of Mumbai or Lagos.
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Old 06-12-2013, 06:45 AM
 
Location: "Daytonnati"
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So what do you think, agree or disagree that car dependency is a freedom?
Yes, being able to drive is a freedom. Geez, is there any question?

It vastly extends the speed, & thus range, of travel, and you can travel at any time, under nearly all weather conditions, as long as there are passable roads, paved or unpaved. It compresses time, since you can get someplace faster.

Of course there is the recurring costs (after purchase of the vehicle):

"Operating" Costs:
1. gas
2. oil/filter changes
3. tire rotation
4. tire change

"Administrative" costs:
5. insurance
6. registration
7. drivers liscensce

..so it's a freedom you pay for (yes, I know there are the enviornmental costs, but Im thinking what I myself would pay, not these difficult to quantify indirect costs)...

..unfortunatly, it's something that I really can't pay for anymore....so I try to save on those operating costs...and postponing the replacement cost of my vehicle.... by driving less.
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:05 PM
 
Location: West Cedar Park, Philadelphia
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It compresses time, since you can get someplace faster.
I think there are some physical laws that disallow this. At least, the amount of energy needed to bend space-time for travel would require harnessing a small supernova, making it unfeasible in any case.
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Old 06-13-2013, 03:00 AM
 
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How do you figure that?

If one lives in Toronto and a family cottage in one of the small communities surrounding Parry Sound or North Bay, how do you propose one would get there for a weekend away without a car?

If not having a vehicle is as great as you make it sound, why do so many people ask me to use my pickup truck to help them move?

I can hook up my quad or boat to my truck and in 30 minutes be fishing, hunting or four-wheeling in the wilderness away from the noise and stress of the city. You... Well, I have a feeling you probably aren't exactly sure what a quad is to begin with.

I'm not trying to pick on you particularly, but I have to say based on the other posts you have made in this forum that your "ideal" existence of living in crowded, high-density housing in a concrete city with no ready escape to a quiet lake or the solitude of the woods is as abhorrent to me as living in the squalor of the slums of Mumbai or Lagos.
This is the reality. In places where not a lot of people drive or own cars we'd find someone who does. It wasn't a restriction when we needed one! Now where was that high horse when we had a party to get to points north?
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Old 06-13-2013, 04:23 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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If not having a vehicle is as great as you make it sound, why do so many people ask me to use my pickup truck to help them move?
That is my observation of the 20-somethings I work with; they say owning a car is a waste of money, but they're not shy about asking car owners for rides.
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Old 06-13-2013, 05:13 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Default Yes, but these carless people do help the rest of us.

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That is my observation of the 20-somethings I work with; they say owning a car is a waste of money, but they're not shy about asking car owners for rides.
I am not anti-car - in fact quite the contrary. I am 69 and have always owned a car since my third year in college. I love having a car and can scarcely conceive of not having one. However, this trend of younger people having lower rates of car ownership has some advantages for us car owners:

1. If gasoline usage is somewhat lower, that helps all of us who buy gasoline by reducing the demand, and therefore also reducing the upward price pressure. The long-term price of gas is going to be up in any case, but the increase in price will be mitigated to the extent that usage is reduced.

2. Every person who doesn't own a car, whether for financial or lifestyle reasons or both, helps reduce traffic congestion by that much. And traffic congestion is a problem in many places in addition to Los Angeles which is so famous for it. I have personally experienced very, very bad congestion in St. Louis, Washington DC, Atlanta, and Baton Rouge (Louisiana). And I have read that it is also very, very bad in Miami. And I would think my personal experience and my reading do not cover all the places where it is that bad.
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