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Old 01-27-2013, 02:03 PM
 
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If my life was pretty much confined to my immediate neighborhood, it would be very boring and even confining. I prefer to spread my wings over large areas, and a road trip (by car of course) is usually (though not always) the best way to do that. Everyone is different and has different taste, so if your tastes differ from mine I will accept that.
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While I'm glad you love your lifestyle, I like to think of my life as being a little beyond my immediate neighborhood.
well, lets see. i live in los angeles. right next to chinatown and downtown, ten minute walk to union station which will take me to all the trains including amtrak which could take me pretty much anywhere. i am also within walking distance to the pueblo los angeles and olvera street, mariachi plaza, never mind wonderful parks like lincoln park, elysian park, debs park, and dodger stadium. its a ten minute train ride to pasadena (and its gorgeous tonier part, south pasadena). my school is in hollywood, los angeles city college, so as i cross vermont i look up and see the hollywood sign. my life is NOT confined to my immediate neighborhood, because i am not "confined". i simply don't have to get into a car to do my banking, shopping, or anything else. i save money, get exercise, and get to know my neighborhood. and sorry, but i didn't realize that the daily errand driving that makes up 99 percent of one's normal driving was all that exciting. or counted as a road trip (which i love to take, don't get me wrong, which is why i said, a car is a luxury, don't plan on getting rid of my car).

when your immediate neighborhood is a place where people come from all over the world to visit and that when you turn on the tv you recognize streets you know, it makes "boring and confining" sound like pretty ignorant adjectives. but as i have said before, there are no boring places, only boring people. i have lived all over the US and i am always interested in my surroundings. walking does that. doing a drive by does not let you get to know anywhere you live. its like saying "i went to kansas" when really all you did is fly over in a plane. i can't think of anything more confining than being in a car and not able to duck into a shop, stop and look at a flower, or just change direction without having to spend ten minutes in traffic. to each his own.
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Old 01-27-2013, 02:08 PM
 
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Cars are like any other debilitating addiction.
Thinking of life without them is almost impossible, and like giving up crack or any other mentally, non-physically addicting substance, its hard at first. But for those who can, the reward is priceless. Total freedom that positively impacts all other areas of your life. Losing the car is like getting out of jail or flipping off the terribly mean and horrific boss you had when you got hired in a great new job. Its that liberating
YES. i found the JOY that came from learning to live without a car quite revolutionary. the thing is knowing that you don't HAVE to have a car- because i dont' hate cars, i am a driving fool, a long haul trucker's daughter. i just drove 2200 miles over christmas from atlanta to LA and i did it in 2 and a half days. i can DRIVE. i just don't want to HAVE to. living without that dependency is just revelatory. only those who have not done it think it ridiculous. the idea of it TERRIFIED me before. knowing i can do it is sort of like knowing you can change a tire or build a fire or survive in the wilderness. its one more thing that won't beat you, that you have mastered, and that turned out to be a GOOD thing. americans are freaking lazy anyway, sorry. we need to get off our azzes.
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Old 01-27-2013, 02:12 PM
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well, lets see. i live in los angeles. right next to chinatown and downtown, ten minute walk to union station which will take me to all the trains including amtrak which could take me pretty much anywhere. i am also within walking distance to the pueblo los angeles and olvera street, mariachi plaza, never mind wonderful parks like lincoln park, elysian park, debs park, and dodger stadium. its a ten minute train ride to pasadena (and its gorgeous tonier part, south pasadena). my school is in hollywood, los angeles city college, so as i cross vermont i look up and see the hollywood sign. my life is NOT confined to my immediate neighborhood, because i am not "confined". i simply don't have to get into a car to do my banking, shopping, or anything else. i save money, get exercise, and get to know my neighborhood. and sorry, but i didn't realize that the daily errand driving that makes up 99 percent of one's normal driving was all that exciting. or counted as a road trip (which i love to take, don't get me wrong, which is why i said, a car is a luxury, don't plan on getting rid of my car).

when your immediate neighborhood is a place where people come from all over the world to visit and that when you turn on the tv you recognize streets you know, it makes "boring and confining" sound like pretty ignorant adjectives. but as i have said before, there are no boring places, only boring people. i have lived all over the US and i am always interested in my surroundings. walking does that. doing a drive by does not let you get to know anywhere you live. its like saying "i went to kansas" when really all you did is fly over in a plane. i can't think of anything more confining than being in a car and not able to duck into a shop, stop and look at a flower, or just change direction without having to spend ten minutes in traffic. to each his own.
You cherry picked my post. I was responding to someone who said that he (?) had everything necessary within a few blocks.
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Old 01-27-2013, 02:16 PM
 
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YES. i found the JOY that came from learning to live without a car quite revolutionary. the thing is knowing that you don't HAVE to have a car- because i dont' hate cars, i am a driving fool, a long haul trucker's daughter. i just drove 2200 miles over christmas from atlanta to LA and i did it in 2 and a half days. i can DRIVE. i just don't want to HAVE to. living without that dependency is just revelatory. only those who have not done it think it ridiculous. the idea of it TERRIFIED me before. knowing i can do it is sort of like knowing you can change a tire or build a fire or survive in the wilderness. its one more thing that won't beat you, that you have mastered, and that turned out to be a GOOD thing. americans are freaking lazy anyway, sorry. we need to get off our azzes.


I dont hate cars either, but we as Americans are very lazy. To accommodate our lazy and irresponsible habits, the religion of car culture has been allowed to fester into a monster and be a profoundly negative effect in almost every aspect of our society.
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Old 01-27-2013, 02:45 PM
 
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The likeliest place for transit without walkability is at a rail station that's planned primarily as park and ride, where most passengers are accessing it by driving. Otherwise, I agree with what you said.
Also areas of cities (typically but not always poor) without essentials within walking distance.
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Old 01-27-2013, 02:49 PM
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You cherry picked my post. I was responding to someone who said that he (?) had everything necessary within a few blocks.
That someone is the same person you're responding to now!
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:15 PM
 
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I dont hate cars either, but we as Americans are very lazy. To accommodate our lazy and irresponsible habits, the religion of car culture has been allowed to fester into a monster and be a profoundly negative effect in almost every aspect of our society.
Why do you think about every TV has a remote control? And years ago even driving required more physical effort. In fact my first car had stick shift (three on a tree) manual steering and manual windows.
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:22 PM
 
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In fact my first car had stick shift (three on a tree) manual steering and manual windows.
Crap, mine still does (tape player too). I'm a luddite!
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:24 PM
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Crap, mine still does (tape player too). I'm a luddite!
does it have A/C?
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:31 PM
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That someone is the same person you're responding to now!
Well, maybe he forgot he said that!
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