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Old 01-26-2013, 02:55 PM
 
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In George Orwell's book 1984 the world adopted a new language called "new speak" in which words and phrases had altered meanings in order to affect public opinion. It is undeniable that some of this phenomena has crept into our present day language, so let's see some of your favorite examples.

Here's one... Car dependent.

A vehicle which gives nearly unrestained freedom being desribed as a restriction.
Basically, this was from a thread in the Politics forum about 'Newspeak' (I would recomend reading that thread first) Link her: http://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...l#post27924918

So what do you think, agree or disagree that car dependency is a freedom?
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:27 PM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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It is both.
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:45 PM
 
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Car dependency is a restriction. Having an automobile, however, is freedom. Where car-opponents get into trouble is by assuming the lack of car dependency is a freedom... when usually, it's just a different restriction.
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Far from where I'd like to be
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Car dependency is a restriction. Having an automobile, however, is freedom. Where car-opponents get into trouble is by assuming the lack of car dependency is a freedom... when usually, it's just a different restriction.
Or by assuming that car ownership = car dependence. There is a difference.

Car ownership does restrict you -- you have to feed it and care for it (if you're lucky, it even purrs like a cat ) -- but it also gives you the freedom to choose your method, time and destination when traveling.
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Old 01-26-2013, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Freedom. You're free not to have it if you find it more of a restriction than a benefit. Been there, done that. I don't regret the decision to ditch the car at all. It was an easy decision at the time just as my decision now to have one is also easy. The benefits vastly outweigh the costs now since about 80% of my jobs I either couldn't get there at all or would take obscene amounts of time and possibly staying overnight in hotels or sleeping on park benches or what have you. A few thousand dollars a year far outweighs that.
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Old 01-26-2013, 04:43 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I'll join the chorus that says "both". Even though our young male dominated forum doesn't usually agree, it is safer for women to go out at night in their cars than walking or taking public transit.
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Old 01-26-2013, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Richmond
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The car is only a restriction.
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Central
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Basically, this was from a thread in the Politics forum about 'Newspeak' (I would recomend reading that thread first) Link her: http://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...l#post27924918

So what do you think, agree or disagree that car dependency is a freedom?
Cars and car dependency are two entirely different things.

It is nothing close to "new speak" to say that car dependency is not freedom. That thread was nonsensical from the start.

Car dependency means exactly that - to function, you are dependent on an automobile.
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Both - mostly depends on the location.

Agree that car ownership in not the same as car-dependence.
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:11 PM
 
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While it allows you to go more places on your schedule, the costs of driving are a burden to many. Some even take a second job to pay for gas and tolls. The headlines are all about the high cost of medical but transportation exceeds that overall. Let's not forget the health problems that result from sitting behind the wheel for so long

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