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Old 01-31-2013, 11:13 AM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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At least to her first-hand knowledge, yes.
how about MY first person knowledge?

 
Old 01-31-2013, 11:14 AM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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Btw, if you look carefully at the link, it was mostly a media creation. Only a few scientists mentioned cooling, most weren't very certain. And the graph at the top shows that in the 70s the numbers of cooling papers were dwarfed by the warming ones.

but its been repeated so many times since, by folks like George Will, people probably remember it as a bigger deal than it was.
 
Old 01-31-2013, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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At least to her first-hand knowledge, yes.
What she said was completely irrelevant. I made a point that global warming is something that has recently come to the forefront of our awareness. In fact the global cooling statement makes more point even more valid - young people have never had these conflicting messages, so perhaps that is why it is less of a challenge vs completely changing habits.

There are statistics that fly in the face of the anecdotal evidence being presented, which is weak at best.

Denigrating other generations is a definite stereotype of Baby Boomers. Guess it is true.
 
Old 01-31-2013, 11:19 AM
 
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Denigrating other generations is a definite stereotype of Baby Boomers. Guess it is true.
generalization.
 
Old 01-31-2013, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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generalization.
Huh? Are you correcting me for using the word "stereotype" incorrectly or saying what I said was a generalization? I definitely don't actually think that, I was just being a jerk.
 
Old 01-31-2013, 11:32 AM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I suppose I should bow down to the superior old person?



It's the same thing with the 'bumming a ride' accusation. Just because you know a couple lazy leaches doesn't mean an entire generation is that way.

http://www.uspirg.org/sites/pirg/fil...on%20vUS_0.pdf

It may not be strictly or even foremost for environmental reasons, but it is a fact that younger people are driving less and less every year, as is just about everyone.
I have never said anything about anyone's age on here, even the 19 year old who posts here. I think everyone's contributions are good, but I for one learned a long time ago that not everyone's opinion is equal. This isn't a discussion about whether red is a prettier color than blue.

As far as "bumming rides", I believe Ohiogirl81 knows whereof she speaks. I have read many a "frugal living" website and blog, they all talk about borrow, borrow, borrow. Not rent, rent, rent, or the like. I have been appalled at some of the suggestions frugal livers have. Absolute mooching in some cases.

The last time this came up, I reposted some posts from other forums where people said just that, the way to live w/o a car is to know someone who has one. Of course, those were shot down as "irrelevant" and "anecdotal". I have also known people IRL who are constantly borrowing, borrowing, borrowing, and I'm not talking about a cup of sugar, or asking for a a ride in an emergency.
 
Old 01-31-2013, 11:35 AM
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Location: Long Island / NYC
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The last time this came up, I reposted some posts from other forums where people said just that, the way to live w/o a car is to know someone who has one. Of course, those were shot down as "irrelevant" and "anecdotal".
Yep.

It was a gross generalization on people who don't own cars. Why should I believe anecdotes from an internet forum over anecdotes from personal experience? I could provide plenty of anecdotes of people who don't own cars and aren't moochers, including previously myself.

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Old 01-31-2013, 11:36 AM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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It was a gross generalization on people who don't own cars. I could provide plenty of anecdotes of people who don't own cars and aren't moochers, including previously myself.
Previously myself as well.
 
Old 01-31-2013, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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As far as "bumming rides", I believe Ohiogirl81 knows whereof she speaks. I have read many a "frugal living" website and blog, they all talk about borrow, borrow, borrow. Not rent, rent, rent, or the like. I have been appalled at some of the suggestions frugal livers have. Absolute mooching in some cases.

The last time this came up, I reposted some posts from other forums where people said just that, the way to live w/o a car is to know someone who has one. Of course, those were shot down as "irrelevant" and "anecdotal". I have also known people IRL who are constantly borrowing, borrowing, borrowing, and I'm not talking about a cup of sugar, or asking for a a ride in an emergency.
I would make a point of not knowing those people anymore.

I believe you that there are certainly people without cars that mooch rides and things like that. But, as a young person who semi-not-by-choice lived without a car for two and a half years and had dozens of peers in the exact same situation, most people I knew just used transit and walking to get around. Of course I would have no idea of knowing how much they asked to borrow a car or get a ride, but it did not seem to be often, if ever. But it never seemed to be a "game-plan" for getting places or deciding what we did.

Of course, most of my peers were college-educated people just trying to get by and make rent working at a coffee shop and any other odd job they could find, so perhaps it was not the most fertile ground for finding moochers.
 
Old 01-31-2013, 11:46 AM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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As far as "bumming rides", I believe Ohiogirl81 knows whereof she speaks. I have read many a "frugal living" website and blog, they all talk about borrow, borrow, borrow. Not rent, rent, rent, or the like. I have been appalled at some of the suggestions frugal livers have. Absolute mooching in some cases.
.

and i know people who own cars and bum rides because their car is in the shop, they have a temp medical condition making it harder to drive, or they just "dont like driving in the city" and who LIVE ON A BUS LINE but "figuring out how to take the bus is TOO HARD".

Thats a personal style.

Its not particularly a charecteristic of the young, the carfree, or even the frugal.
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