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Old 02-10-2013, 09:39 AM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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Omaha, Indianapolis, OKC.
All three feature the prevalent suburban form (SFHs, autocentric design) as the dominant form of housing, even within a mile of the city center. Maybe what you're saying is that there are few suburbs. I don't think this is what the OP was asking though.
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Old 02-10-2013, 09:51 AM
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Location: Long Island / NYC
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All three feature the prevalent suburban form (SFHs, autocentric design) as the dominant form of housing, even within a mile of the city center. Maybe what you're saying is that there are few suburbs. I don't think this is what the OP was asking though.
Eh. I thought that was meant as a joke.
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Old 02-10-2013, 12:25 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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All three feature the prevalent suburban form (SFHs, autocentric design) as the dominant form of housing, even within a mile of the city center. Maybe what you're saying is that there are few suburbs. I don't think this is what the OP was asking though.
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Eh. I thought that was meant as a joke.
No, it wasn't a joke, though it's no sillier than saying SF or NY is the city with little or zero suburban area. Using the principal definition of suburban in the US and Canada, SF is hugely suburbanized, as is NYC. It seems to be the definition the OP had in mind too, though it's hard to tell from the way the OP was stated.

I am very familiar with Omaha, and I have a primary source here to help me out. The city center is around 16th and Dodge Sts, according to my source. Given 10 blocks to a mile, 26th St. is still the heart of the city. There's no suburban "form" there. Central High (see map) is on 20th St. and it was the former capitol building for the territory of Nebraska, hardly something one would locate in the suburbs prior to the Civil War. DH lived about 5 miles west of there, and I wouldn't call where he grew up "the burbs", either. There is no "East Omaha"; the downtown area goes to the Missouri River (9th St at that point in the city) and then you cross the river into Iowa. Omaha's MSA is about twice the size of the city, far less than most other cities of 400,000 or more. Since MSA is calculated by commuting patterns, not population density, a lot of those people outside the city are actually living in quite rural areas. (Pan map to the west.) Douglas and Sarpy counties, the main counties in the metro area have about 676,000 people total.

I'm not as familiar with Indianapolis, and I've never been to OKC, but both are cities with large geographic areas and not much else surrounding them.

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Old 02-10-2013, 01:02 PM
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No, it wasn't a joke, though it's no sillier than saying SF or NY is the city with little or zero suburban area. Using the principal definition of suburban in the US and Canada, SF is hugely suburbanized, as is NYC. It seems to be the definition the OP had in mind too, though it's hard to tell from the way the OP was stated.
The OP has never come back, but he said people not living in houses but rather buildings or "European-style" which I assumed meant more in apartment buildings*. No American city comes close, but New York City is far closer than any other city, and San Francisco ranks rather high. Haven't been any of the three cities you mentioned but I assume all of them would rank low on

Don't wish have that argument on the thread, and while I feel what the principal definition of suburban for the US is debatable, city limits is what the census uses (when it does distinguish, it usually doesn't). The Canadian equivalent of the census bureau uses a different definition (see 2nd paragraph):

It considers the last two, distance from center and housing density, the best measures of suburban or urban identity. Suburbs are defined as primarily single-family housing located at distance from the center of the city, while urban areas are primarily multi-family buildings near the center.

Suburb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

*He said European-style is in buildings not houses. I suspect the poster is from Spain, where that's almost true. That's certainly not true for some other parts of Europe. The only city I have data on hand for, Paris, I found that houses (detached or attached) make up 40% of the housing units, though just about 0 for the city proper which holds barely one-fifth of the metro's population. I think I could find data for English cities if anyone's interested.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:15 PM
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Here is the first sentence from your link:

A suburb is a residential area, either existing as part of a city (as in Australia and New Zealand), or as a separate residential community within commuting distance of a city (as in the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom).

So perhaps the above is the colloquial use, while their census bureau uses a somewhat different definition.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Richmond/Philadelphia/Brooklyn
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I hope not. Sounds like it would be really crowded and dirty.
Sounds beautiful, If you ask me, and anyway, who couldn't love some people and grit in their city?
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:37 PM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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Sounds beautiful, If you ask me, and anyway, who couldn't love some people and grit in their city?
I could do with about 200,000 more people and considerably less grit in Baltimore.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:40 PM
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Here is the first sentence from your link:

A suburb is a residential area, either existing as part of a city (as in Australia and New Zealand), or as a separate residential community within commuting distance of a city (as in the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom).

So perhaps the above is the colloquial use, while their census bureau uses a somewhat different definition.
Perhaps, though it's hard to tell where Wikipedia is getting the first sentence since it doesn't source. I'm rather sure the British definition doesn't follow city limits.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:47 PM
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As for New York City, skimming through census numbers, my guess is the NYC metro would be close to 40% of housing units, maybe even slightly less. The metro has so many counties it'd be tedious to calculate an exact number. The census doesn't distinguish between attached and detached housing, though.

While Paris and the NYC metro might be similar in % houses, the density of the outer portions is much lower for NYC and houses' lot size much bigger.
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Old 02-10-2013, 05:17 PM
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Since we were talking about Omaha, I thought I'd post this story I heard on NPR today.

Omaha: How's the housing market where Warren Buffett lives? | Marketplace.org

Actually, the 1.2 million dollar house in the picture would probably cost about the same in metro Denver.
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