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Old 05-02-2014, 09:21 AM
 
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Little off topic here, but I had no idea Philly was so impressive to look at. Being in the heart of downtown almost looks like a mini-NYC. It's a very dense and urban city, possibly more urban/dense than Chicago in some aspects. Thanks for sharing these.
Agreed. Philadelphia is a terrific city.
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Little off topic here, but I had no idea Philly was so impressive to look at. Being in the heart of downtown almost looks like a mini-NYC. It's a very dense and urban city, possibly more urban/dense than Chicago in some aspects. Thanks for sharing these.
I wouldn't go that far. But I agree, for whatever reason, outside of the Northeast people seem to ignore Philly and don't realize how urban it is. Within the Northeast, it doesn't stand out as much and is obviously dwarfed in scale by New York City so many don't pick up on that.
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:06 PM
 
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I'd say Downtown is the commercial center of the city, Midtown is more like an entertainment or cultural center (and a secondary business center), and Uptown generally is the densest part of the city at the fringes.
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Old 05-15-2014, 12:20 PM
 
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Its consistent use can essentially be attributed to a marketing campaign born out of the mid/late 1980's. It's hardly historical. Before that time, most referred to the CBD as downtown.
Now, to be fair, the CBD of Charlotte is geographically north of the physical center of the city and Uptown does designate a direction.
The center of Charlotte sits atop a ridge between Sugar and Irwin Creeks. Uptown Charlotte has been used since Charlotte was a town. "Y'all head'n up to town" was shortened to "Y'all head'n up'town". Easy to see how the phrase was born when you add a mid 19th century southern accent. In the 1980's the phrase regained prominence when city leaders were trying to rebrand uptown. I think the initiative was born when one of our city planners realized he couldn't buy a snickers bar after 5:30.

Also, in the 1980's, South Charlotte was far less developed. At that time Uptown Charlotte was far closer to the geographic center of the metro. Although it now seems plausible now that the shape of the city would be the reason for the term Uptown, it is not.
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Old 05-20-2014, 10:11 AM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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I wonder if it has to do with traditional settlement patterns. People tend to build residences upriver and uphill from their workspaces for a variety of practical reasons.

Thus, the workshops/factories, animal pens, and docks 'down' by the river eventually became office space as a rural and/or labor based economy transforms.
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Old 05-20-2014, 08:26 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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The center of Charlotte sits atop a ridge between Sugar and Irwin Creeks. Uptown Charlotte has been used since Charlotte was a town. "Y'all head'n up to town" was shortened to "Y'all head'n up'town". Easy to see how the phrase was born when you add a mid 19th century southern accent. In the 1980's the phrase regained prominence when city leaders were trying to rebrand uptown. I think the initiative was born when one of our city planners realized he couldn't buy a snickers bar after 5:30.

Also, in the 1980's, South Charlotte was far less developed. At that time Uptown Charlotte was far closer to the geographic center of the metro. Although it now seems plausible now that the shape of the city would be the reason for the term Uptown, it is not.
The phrase regained prominence or the phrase was dug up as a justification? It's quite a stretch to draw a continuous thread from mid 19th century slang to the marketing decision to rebrand the CBD as Uptown in the 1980s.
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Old 05-22-2014, 07:07 PM
 
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What's considered to be "Uptown" in Philly is debatable. Some say it's Germantown while other say it's Lower North Philly. Philly doesn't have a midtown but University City is basically the downtown area for West Philly.
To hear someone say "uptown" in Philly is really rare and when you do hear it, it's usually someone in South Philly using it as a direction not as a specific location.

People do say "downtown" occasionally but it's not the same concept as "Center City". When I hear people say "downtown" they're usually talking about going to a few blocks of JFK/Market/Chestnut. Philly doesn't have much of a CBD and it's become it's less so with all of the residential conversions that have happened over the last 20 years. Plus, there's been a slow, 300 year westward shift of business from the Delaware River towards the Schuylkill.

I've heard people from the Northeast, Manayunk, the suburbs, etc refer to all of Center City and adjacent parts of North, South and West Philly as "downtown" but it's vague and meant to differentiate the parts of the city with a lot of activity than those that are more quiet/residential.
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Old 05-22-2014, 07:09 PM
 
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The phrase regained prominence or the phrase was dug up as a justification? It's quite a stretch to draw a continuous thread from mid 19th century slang to the marketing decision to rebrand the CBD as Uptown in the 1980s.
It was pure marketing.

In fact it's been rebranded as Charlotte Center City & Uptown Charlotte by a firm from Philadelphia.
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Old 05-25-2014, 08:53 PM
 
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To hear someone say "uptown" in Philly is really rare and when you do hear it, it's usually someone in South Philly using it as a direction not as a specific location.

People do say "downtown" occasionally but it's not the same concept as "Center City". When I hear people say "downtown" they're usually talking about going to a few blocks of JFK/Market/Chestnut. Philly doesn't have much of a CBD and it's become it's less so with all of the residential conversions that have happened over the last 20 years. Plus, there's been a slow, 300 year westward shift of business from the Delaware River towards the Schuylkill.

I've heard people from the Northeast, Manayunk, the suburbs, etc refer to all of Center City and adjacent parts of North, South and West Philly as "downtown" but it's vague and meant to differentiate the parts of the city with a lot of activity than those that are more quiet/residential.


You say "Philly doesn't have much of a CBD". Philadelphia has always had one of the largest central business districts in the country, rivaling Chicago's Loop and San Francisco's downtown for second place after Midtown Manhattan..
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Old 07-20-2014, 06:02 AM
 
Location: Atlanta - Midtown
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Suburbanites consider anywhere within Detroit city limits downtown. I actually had some facebook friends announce that they were "moving into a house next to Wayne State in downtown". Where the house is located and where Wayne State is a 6 mile distance.



But I mean, I guess I can understand when you grow up in an area where nothing is over 3 stories to an area with mid-and high-rise apartment buildings then it probably does seem like a 'downtown' to many.
It sounds like this is pretty common all over the US. I've heard suburbanites refer to places in Atlanta as "Downtown", when they are actually referring to Buckhead (our "Uptown" area, north of Midtown). I think that they also have the tendancy to think in longer distances due to living in an automobile dominated environment. I.e - 6 miles could be considered "next to" something since they are more accustomed to driving a few miles here and there for most errands and entertainment.
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