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Old 02-22-2013, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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"What if"
Nominal Fare = cost / ten riders (0.1 x cost)
Discount Fare = cost / forty riders (0.025 x cost)
Super Discount Fare = cost / eighty riders (0.0125 x cost)
If the nominal fare was $5, the first discount reduces it to $1.25.
The next discount reduces it to $0.63.

A computerized operation could easily credit one's balance when a trip passenger count goes up.

It would certainly change morale when a train stops to pick up more passengers.
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So you're going to encourage people to ride at peak times by charging less prices when the trains are full past the breaking point and you're employing "pushers" to shove the cattle in? Seems... silly. Charge more at peak times, not less. It's not like you save any money by shifting an elective trip at a non-peak time to a peak time. The non-peak train is still running, whether it has 7 people on it or 8. Actually, the opposite, you lose even more money since the peak-fare is lower than the off-peak.
Actually in some ways commuter rail does this. A monthly on the LIRR is cheaper than an off-peak ticket, when the monthly cost is divided by a typical number of trips. Almost everyone using a monthly takes the train during peak hours (with maybe a few times coming back from work late). The peak one-way ticket is extra as it competes with scarce seats from those using the train for regular commute hours.


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It would certainly change morale when a train stops to pick up more passengers.
Really? Definitely not if the train fills up during peak hours. It would be a good way to annoy LIRR passengers, though I suspect peak hour and direction LIRR usage is rather price inelastic, with limits.
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Actually in some ways commuter rail does this. A monthly on the LIRR is cheaper than an off-peak ticket, when the monthly cost is divided by a typical number of trips. Almost everyone using a monthly takes the train during peak hours (with maybe a few times coming back from work late). The peak one-way ticket is extra as it competes with scarce seats from those using the train for regular commute hours.




Really? Definitely not if the train fills up during peak hours. It would be a good way to annoy LIRR passengers, though I suspect peak hour and direction LIRR usage is rather price inelastic, with limits.
That's a volume discount. But yeah, not generally a good idea if you're having peak capacity problems. BART never did do monthly passes (except inside San Francisco where one can buy a SF Muni pass that allows monthly rides).

And I suspect it would have an affect on morale. I know my morale definitely decreased when the train stopped to pick up more passengers. Glasses face smashed again glass, not comfortable. Although I'm pretty sure the poor Korean girl with her nose smashed into my armpit had it worse. There are definite advantages to being above average height.
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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The bus ride in of itself is very rarely the problem. The problem is waiting for the darn bus in the cold/rain/heat/snow and they're not on time. Or running after the bus but the driver drives off. Or a car passes by you, and splashes you with rain or snow.
On my trips to Central America, I rode their enviable bus system many times, and so wish we had a similar system here, which would attract more people to ride the buses.

Yes, we're talking about the so-called "Chicken Buses", employing our old school buses. All privately run, competing with one another.

And what makes it so attractive to ride them? You don't need to be at a designated bus stop, just flag one down, need to stop somewhere, they stop, not a designated bus stop. Don't need to wait for someone to pay the bus driver, holding up the bus, there's fare collectors to do that.

And what makes it so fun to ride them? Vendors hopping on and off while riding them, trying to sell you anything from fried chicken to cold sandwiches, fruit, candy, vitamins, pirated DVD's/CD's, clothing items, you name it! They can be nothing more than roving shopping centers! Would they ever allow this on our light rail trains or city buses?

Yes, and let's go one step furthur, the transportation choice for those that can't afford the Chicken Buses: riding in the backs of pick-ups!

So why would they put in a sterile light rail system in Guatemala City, San Salvador or Tegucigalpas, Honduras where they had to be on designated stops to get on and off?
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:49 PM
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And what makes it so fun to ride them? Vendors hopping on and off while riding them, trying to sell you anything from fried chicken to cold sandwiches, fruit, candy, vitamins, pirated DVD's/CD's, clothing items, you name it! They can be nothing more than roving shopping centers! Would they ever allow this on our light rail trains or city buses?
Yikes. I've been on the NYC subway enough times to get annoyed at teens hawking cheap junk supposedly for fundraising. Leave me alone.

Food sounds almost like a good idea, but fried chicken sounds like a mess. I wouldn't trust vitamins from a vendor on public transportation. Pirated CD's/DVD's? It's hard to find any CD's/DVD's these days.
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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On my trips to Central America, I rode their enviable bus system many times, and so wish we had a similar system here, which would attract more people to ride the buses.

Yes, we're talking about the so-called "Chicken Buses", employing our old school buses. All privately run, competing with one another.

And what makes it so attractive to ride them? You don't need to be at a designated bus stop, just flag one down, need to stop somewhere, they stop, not a designated bus stop. Don't need to wait for someone to pay the bus driver, holding up the bus, there's fare collectors to do that.

And what makes it so fun to ride them? Vendors hopping on and off while riding them, trying to sell you anything from fried chicken to cold sandwiches, fruit, candy, vitamins, pirated DVD's/CD's, clothing items, you name it! They can be nothing more than roving shopping centers! Would they ever allow this on our light rail trains or city buses?

Yes, and let's go one step furthur, the transportation choice for those that can't afford the Chicken Buses: riding in the backs of pick-ups!

So why would they put in a sterile light rail system in Guatemala City, San Salvador or Tegucigalpas, Honduras where they had to be on designated stops to get on and off?
I'd say 1/5 of the time I ride LA's rail-based PT there are vendors selling stuff. Not pushy at all though.
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